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Some More News You Are Not Getting From Iraq

Note: This op-ed piece has been written in response to Kevin Korenthal's Op-Ed piece which recently appeared in The Signal "The News You Are Not Getting From Iraq" 11/21/07 The Signal By Cal - Mr. Korenthal, I support your suggestion that local media consider subscribing to Michael Yon's website postings Michael Yon's website from the frontline in Iraq. I do so on three conditions:

1-These same publications also include Dahr Jamail's posts Dahr Jamail's website from Iraq too. 2-The posts from both of these authors be clearly labeled as op-ed or editorial pieces. 3-The newspapers/publications subscribing to these two authors' dispatches should clearly inform readers as to what 'perspective' each author is presenting his information from. The editors and publishers of any publications that subscribe to dispatches from these two authors should clearly state that the articles written by these individuals are presented as factual and accurate however, each article does present only one side of a multi-sided issue. I am not sure if you are aware of this or not Mr. Korenthal, (but seeing that you are a professional lobbyist as well as a political activist, I find it difficult to believe that you would be ignorant of the following fact), The Weekly Standard ,the publication that you mentioned in your editorial that Michael Yon writes for, is considered an 'advocacy journalism'publication. Its authors are not objectivejournalists or reporters. The articles they write are meant to serve some social or political purpose. As a result, the information contained in these articles may be factual and accurate however the facts may be presented out of context or important contradictory information may be omitted (inadvertantly or intentionally) by the authors... This is the nature of the ‘advocacy journalism’ beast. There is nothing wrong with advocacy journalism. On the contrary, some of the world's most influential muckrakers and investigative journalists practice this form of journalism. However, when dealing with newspapers and news magazines-the public expects that the articles written in these publications are objective and accurate. If you are encouraging newspapers to include Yon's writings, then Mr. Korenthal, in the interest of objectivity, fairness and accuracy, you should also be encouraging them to include dispatches from Iraq from authors like Dahr Jamail. Jamail is an internationally-renowned independent, unembedded journalist .His dispatches have been published in the Inter Press Service, The Asia Times, The Nation, The Sunday Herald, Islam Online, the Guardian, Foreign Policy in Focus, and The Independent . His news stories have been translated into French, Polish, German, Dutch, Spanish, Japanese, Portuguese, Chinese, Arabic and Turkish. In addition, Jamail reports for Democracy Now!, the BBC, and numerous other stations around the globe. News reports are intended to be objective and unbiased. In contrast, advocacy journalists have an opinion about the story they are writing. The lines line that separate news reporting from advocacy journalism and/or propaganda are very thin.. It is up to the editors of publications that subscribe to these dispatches to draw that line by informing the public as to what type of information is being presented for intellectual consumption. In addition, the editors should be vigilant in their presentation of opposing viewpoints written by knowledgeable, and credible authors. If the editors and publishers take their roles as members of the ‘Fourth Estate’ seriously , then they need to make certain that the proverbial thin lines that separate news reporting versus advocacy journalism versus propaganda are not crossed. I respect Yon's reports from the field, and I respect Jamail's reports too. The point is Mr. Korenthal, I want the opportunity to read BOTH authors' viewpoints so that I can remain an informed citizen- not a brainwashed one...
Some More News You Are Not Getting From Iraq

Comments (5)

  1. BillNovember 24 at 2:03 PM PT
    Point very well taken
  2. socalpunditNovember 27 at 10:44 AM PT
    Jeff, I agree that different embedded reporters in Iraq are going to have differing opinions about what the changing situation in Iraq means for the larger mission. If Dahr Jamail is willing to syndicate his material to The Signal in similar fashion to Yon's then I say let the reporting begin! I doubt however that there is a need for all of the legal mumbo jumbo you suggest. And that brings me to your comment about The Weekly Standard. I have had this debate with many people. And I always begin by allowing that The Weekly Standard is indeed advocacy journalism at its best. Didn't think I would cop to that huh? Unfortunately, The Weekly Standard exists because ALL JOURNALISM TODAY IS ADVOCACY JOURNALISM. If you think the New York Times, NEWSWEEK, or even The Los Angeles Daily News does not dabble in advocacy journalism within the pages of their hard news , you're wearing blinders. Just the other day, The New York Times, in the corrections section, OPINED that Christians and Muslims pray to the same God. Now would you call that a fact? I wouldn't. And such assertions have no place in hard news stories. So while the Weekly Standard practices their bias clearly and without denial, The New York Times and publications like Reuters & The Associated Press (who have all but stopped reporting on what is going on in Iraq since the Surge) continue to deny they are biased while actually increasing the level to which they practice that bias in the hard news. I think we would all do well to understand that all news is biased, in one way or another, and just let the papers run the stories in the fashion they see fit. Regards, Kevin D. Korenthal
  3. socalpunditNovember 27 at 10:45 AM PT
    Jeff, I agree that different embedded reporters in Iraq are going to have differing opinions about what the changing situation in Iraq means for the larger mission. If Dahr Jamail is willing to syndicate his material to The Signal in similar fashion to Yon's then I say let the reporting begin! I doubt however that there is a need for all of the legal mumbo jumbo you suggest. And that brings me to your comment about The Weekly Standard. I have had this debate with many people. And I always begin by allowing that The Weekly Standard is indeed advocacy journalism at its best. Didn't think I would cop to that huh? Unfortunately, The Weekly Standard exists because ALL JOURNALISM TODAY IS ADVOCACY JOURNALISM. If you think the New York Times, NEWSWEEK, or even The Los Angeles Daily News does not dabble in advocacy journalism within the pages of their hard news , you're wearing blinders. Just the other day, The New York Times, in the corrections section, OPINED that Christians and Muslims pray to the same God. Now would you call that a fact? I wouldn't. And such assertions have no place in hard news stories. So while the Weekly Standard practices their bias clearly and without denial, The New York Times and publications like Reuters & The Associated Press (who have all but stopped reporting on what is going on in Iraq since the Surge) continue to deny they are biased while actually increasing the level to which they practice that bias in the hard news. I think we would all do well to understand that all news is biased, in one way or another, and just let the papers run the stories in the fashion they see fit. Regards, Kevin D. Korenthal
  4. socalpunditNovember 27 at 11:06 AM PT
    In reading Jamail's work I have come across an interesting comparision between ideological reporting. Here is a report released this morning by embedded freelance journalist Micahel J. Totten on the current situation in Fallujah Iraq, It is called An Edgy Calm in Fallujah [www.michaeltotten.com] Now here is an alleged "hard news" story from Jamail released on Nov. 20. It is called Fallujah Now Under a Different Kind of Siege [www.dahrjamailiraq.com]. After reading both stories, it becomes clear to any honest reader that Jamail went out of his way to find voices that support the title of his article, without talking about anything that discredits it. Whereas Totten talks about both the good and that bad that supports the title of his article. Both have bias but one worked much harder on his bias than the other did.
  5. CalNovember 29 at 2:18 PM PT
    Kevin, You and I obtain our information from different sources. As a result, our opinions are influenced by these sources. Several months ago I had the privilege of interviewing Ray Bradbury for an article that appeared here on SCVTalk.com SCVTalk.com Ray Bradbury [scvtalk.com] Here is a segment of our interview: C: What is the greatest threat to our culture? . RB: We are not being properly educated. We have to start teaching children to read and write before they enter kindergarten. Once they can read and write people will have to learn how to choose where they will collect their information from, learn how to collect it and how to process it- how they will think about it.”. Bradbury explains how who you get your news from can influence what your opinions will be on certain issues. . B: “There’s a lot of junk out there” said Bradbury. “We need to be able to detect it as such.”. Mr Bradbury is correct Kevin. We have to be very careful who we get our information from. As a journalist, I always make it a point to refer to various sources for my information. I do not subscribe to any one ideology when it comes to the collection of information. You know the old saying in computer programming “Garbage in…garbage out” The same goes for intellectual consumption. FYI I am a C-Span junkie. I like to observe and interpret facts on my own. I enjoy thinking about things and discussing issues with colleagues and friends. I do not like ‘talking heads’ explaining to me what I have just seen- unless I have a question about a particular issue. Then…I research it. I have an undergraduate degree in Gov't and Public Administration, an MBA in Finance and International Business and a Master’s degree in Journalism. This is why I am used to referring to a wide range of sources for my information. Mostly, I collect my information from BBC, Reuters, C-Span, PBS, Financial Times, Wall Street Journal, Forbes & Fortune magazines …Fox news…LATimes and NYTimes. I collect information from various sources-including local ones- for local news. We do have a few really good local reporters here in SCV whose articles I follow regularly. I hope this gives you a better understanding of where I am coming from. I thank you for this interesting discussion but I am afraid I must end it here…I wish you all the best…

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