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Fighting Newhall Ranch from the Advocate’s Perspective

Katherine & Caroline Squires (sisters) made the trek to Downtown LA yesterday to fight the first phase of Newhall Ranch, Landmark Village. Katherine and I once went on a tour of the Santa Clara river valley (I wrote about it way back in 2006) and she’s a neat lady, very sharp, and quite passionate about preserving the environment. After reading her account about how she and others who were treated, imagine how you’d feel if you were at the Hall of Administration yesterday:

We just got back from the Los Angeles County board meeting in downtown.  We were there for the hearing on the proposed Newhall Ranch’s ‘Landmark Village’ development project along the Santa Clara River.  Having spoke at other government meetings in the past we knew going into it that the odds were stacked against us and we would not receive much support from our elected leaders…we just didn’t know that it was going to go down as one of the worst experiences we have ever had with our county government.  We thought it was common knowledge that a public hearing is scheduled in order to have our elected leaders hear the public and consider their input,  allowing citizens this ONE opportunity to speak their mind…but here is the reality:

We dropped what we needed to do today (work, etc.) to drive almost 2 hours to downtown through stop-and-go morning traffic (insert eye roll here).  When we arrived we were informed that the 9:30 a.m. meeting would actually start an hour and a half late.  Naturally, you could understand how delighted we were to have risen so early to be there on time.

While we waited patiently for our turn to speak, we had the pleasure of watching the Board Members be awarded praise for their great deeds in the community.  They accepted compliments and kudos from a variety of individuals and delayed the meeting for another half hour while they patted themselves on the back.

We were in for a shock once the hearing actually began.  The first thing Mayor Antonovich (this is what he insists on being called) proclaimed was that each speaker would have just 60 seconds to give their comments…instead of the usual 3 minutes.  We both questioned why Antonovich had not warned us sooner about this major setback.  He declared that he was enforcing this rule because there were so many people commenting.  However, in reality, it wasn’t a ridiculous number of people who wanted to speak.

We all had to quickly re-draft our remarks while we were hustled to the podium to speak.  We all came prepared with 3 minute presentations.  The fact we were given such an insignificant amount of time to speak with virtually no warning seemed to be a deliberate ploy to undermine the public commentary.  We could not listen to our fellow speakers because we were quickly racing to change our comments.  This was very unfair…especially when the first people speaking, those in favor of the project, were given unlimited time.

As the members of the public spoke to the Board we were accorded very little respect.  While concerned citizens poured their hearts out, Antonovich chowed down on snacks, had multiple side-bar conversations with his assistant, and at one point even left the room while someone was speaking!  He didn’t excuse himself first, rather he just stood up and left.  The person speaking didn’t know whether to continue or not, as it was unclear if anyone was even in charge of the meeting at that point.  The speaker questioned whether or not the meeting could even proceed legally, seeing as how there were only 2 of the 5 Board Members in the room.  The speaker was told to continue!

The behavior of the other Board Members was no better.  One of them appeared to be flirting with two young ladies at his side.  The other Board Members drifted in and out of the room while people were speaking or slouched in their chairs looking indifferent and bored.  It was embarrassing to witness such unprofessionalism and frustrating that they demonstrated such inappropriate behavior.  Could you imagine if your workplace followed such an example?  Antonovich failed to demonstrate any respect for the process.  We wanted to say something to him regarding the inherent contempt for the citizens evident in this situation however, that would have wasted precious speaking time!  It takes longer to microwave a hot pocket than we were given time to speak!

The silver lining was that a plethora of environmental organizations were there to combat all the developers (the people in suits) that were in the room: Heal the Bay, The Audubon Society, Sierra Club, SCOPE, Friends of the Santa Clara River, Center for Biological Diversity, and numerous concerned citizens.  They gave very detailed comments as to the problems associated with this project.  We were impressed with their ability to quickly revamp their comments and give their evidence with grace and professionalism in such a hostile setting.  The Landmark Village project has lasting and detrimental consequences for our valley and our neighboring cities and it deserved more than an hour of the Board Members’ time.

We ask you, who gets up at the crack of dawn, takes off work, coordinates rides, writes comments, drives through hours of traffic, pays for parking, and gets ready to speak in front of a crowd (most people would rather have a root canal), only to have their speaking time cut down to 60 seconds and then be given no response and even worse…a lack of respect by our government leaders who are supposed to reflect the voice of the people?!

We do and so did the other speakers!  We did it and will continue to fight because it is the right thing to do…it would just be reassuring if our elected leaders would do the right thing as well.

-Katherine and Caroline

“The Squires Sisters”

With a response like that from elected officials, is it any wonder activists resort to the Courts? That’s why I’m never sympathetic when some local water official complains in the media that lawsuits are expensive and hard to deal with. Without access to the courts, these activists -who spend their free time reading EIRs and studying the land- would literally have no way to get their legitimate concerns heard. The system in LA County has always been stacked against them and it continues to this day. 

Also, isn’t ironic that after 24 years of City hood, the Council is beginning to resemble the Supervisors, at least on some issues?

Fighting Newhall Ranch from the Advocate’s Perspective

Comments (18)

  1. AlpinerOctober 5, 2011 at 11:44 am
    This same attitude is what fed the cityhood drive in 1987.
  2. PetzOctober 5, 2011 at 11:59 am
    The “Mayor” was woefully unprepared for the chloride meeting at city hall last year. At the time I commented that he was more than likely crazy like a fox since he did not seem to understand the very basic ideas which we had been discussing for years. Troubling. what is SCOPE doing about the light pollution impact of Newhall Ranch?
  3. spineflower2October 6, 2011 at 6:52 pm
    What CAN SCOPE do, Petz? If asking the County to not let them concrete riverbanks and destroy habitat doesn’t carry weight, how far will asking for pretty night skies go? The NR fix is in, payments have been made, and what the people want doesn’t matter any more. Didn’t you get the memo?
  4. BertaOctober 5, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    Jeff with all due respect, our City Council is nothing like the arrogant and disconnected Board of Supervisors. If they ever try that kind of disrespectful crap, I will be the first one calling them out on it. So far the worst I have seen is Frank texting during public comments and he needs to curb that too if you ask me. I have not noticed him or anyone else inattentive when I have made my comments or I would say something. In case you have not noticed, I am not shy about speaking out. While you may disagree with decisions made by our Council, no matter how long a meeting goes they have never not courteously listened to those speaking at the podium. They do not eat a full meal, carry on lengthily conversations not pertaining to the issue(s) at hand with others while we speak, chat on their personal phones, or otherwise let the public know they do not have any interest in hearing what we have to say whether our Council members agree with the speaker (s) or not. In my opinion, your comparison is unfair. It is appalling that the LA County Supervisors are so exceptionally rude to the very constituents they are elected to serve. On the occasions I have spoken before them on issues such as CEMEX or Newhall Ranch, Gloria Molina in my opinion is the worst. She is on the phone, eating a full meal, talking to her personal staff or out of the room most meetings, and when she does speak, it is always some condescending bullshit, so it is no surprise to me she does not hear or care to hear anything the folks have to say. I can only surmise the folks in her district do not care what she does or they would not vote for her. I sure would not. The rest of the supervisors are not much better. Mike Antonovich is retiring in 2016, I think, so please remember to cast your vote carefully for someone who at least appears to respect the constituents at the podium. They asked for the job but seem to forget for whom they work.
  5. Coastal SageOctober 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    Props to Berta for telling it like it is, as to the Supes. Actually the Supes also violated the speakers’ rights on Newhall Ranch, because there is California case law which says each speaker is entitled to 3 minutes. Santa Clarita’s former City Attorney Carl Newton was a stickler on that point, because the court said (1) citizens have the right to be heard for redress of their grievances and (2) it’s a denial of the project opponents due process rights when they are not allowed to state their position in less than 3 minutes. I hope the plaintiffs bang the Supes in court on that issue.
  6. LarMccOctober 5, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    I agree that our council is not as bad as the county, but I can’t help but think we are headed that direction. David Gauny outlined it well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ54TKsnulI …and the Beacon covered Ender/McLean snickering at a speaker at a different meeting: http://westranchbeacon.com/2011/01/commentary-city-council-members-laugh-at-residents/ the video that article references: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmpbhB_uFJw Also, Ferry labeled me and other people opposed to the 4 story office building at Singing Hills/McBean as “developmental terrorists.” I don’t expect the council to agree with me, but they sure have a funny way of showing they take the people seriously.
  7. Timothy Myers SROctober 5, 2011 at 2:02 pm
    The Supes are human and the fact is that the Squires and folks like them only want one answer (No Project) and are not interested in any real compromise, mitigation or improvement. Developers have attempted to reach accommodation with Lynn Plambeck in the past only to have her raise the bar continually higher, so they have (rightly) concluded Why Bother? Jeff, the fact is that when neither party will negotiate in good faith it has to be mediated and a decision enforced. That is why God created the judiciary.
  8. Coastal SageOctober 5, 2011 at 4:40 pm
    Tim, do you have any hard facts like land owner names, dates, and project descriptions to support your claim that “Developers have attempted to reach accommodation with Lynn Plambeck in the past only to have her raise the bar continually higher”? The reason that I ask is that all proposed settlements and accommodations have been run by me, on legal, environmental law, geological, chemical, toxics since 1999, and I just don’t seem to have any papers supporting what you claim. A long time ago Newhall Land did once offer to hire Lynne as a “consultant” for $40,000 but she politely declined.
  9. Timothy Myers SROctober 6, 2011 at 7:51 am
    I stand by the comment.
  10. spineflower2October 6, 2011 at 6:53 pm
    There’s your answer, Sage.
  11. Leon WordenOctober 5, 2011 at 11:16 pm
    Not to condone it, but lest there be any confusion, the “getting up and leaving” and the “sidebar conversations” while members of the public are speaking weren’t uniquely aimed at the Newhall Ranch dissenters. That’s standard operating procedure at the BOS.
  12. CCOctober 6, 2011 at 7:48 am
    It’s still shameful. If they find the job so objectionable, they are welcome to step down.
  13. Leon WordenOctober 6, 2011 at 7:14 pm
    I will never understand why some people in this valley seem to forget what county they live in. Since World War II, Los Angeles County has been officially pro-growth … unlike neighboring Ventura County. It is the policy of the county and its board of supervisors to promote growth. Since the 1950s, Valencia has been planned by The Newhall Land and Farming Co. *WORKING TOGETHER WITH* the Los Angeles County Department of Regional Planning. Not having a project is not an option when the county planning staff helps plan it & supports it … and stopping (or slowing) growth in general is not an option when “pro-growth” is the official policy of the county. When an agency such as the Army Corps comes along and throws a wrench into the works, it’s as much a problem/challenge for the county planning staff as it is for the proponent. It makes little difference if individual supervisors are paying attention during the public hearing or having sidebar conversations or getting up and throwing one back at the local pub. The public hearing is the END of a years-long process that has engaged the county planning staff every step of the way.
  14. Leon WordenOctober 6, 2011 at 7:15 pm
    You might say that’s not how it SHOULD work. Who cares? That’s how it DOES work.
  15. Leon WordenOctober 6, 2011 at 7:22 pm
    One more thing. Jennifer and SCOPE work darned hard to lobby the Army Corp and other environmentally minded government institutions to throw those wrenches into the county’s work. They have been highly successful over the past couple of decades in both winning concessions (such as the additional setbacks from the river with Landmark & Mission villages) and, even more poignantly, in stalling projects, sometimes for years – and sometimes beyond the proponents’ ability to stick with them. Meaning, they routinely try to tie up a project in court for so long that the developer throws in the towel. That, too, is how it works.
  16. VenturanOctober 6, 2011 at 8:54 pm
    Leon, Perhaps the judiciary wouldn’t need to get involved if the Board of Supervisors actually gave a damn.
  17. Leon WordenOctober 6, 2011 at 9:01 pm
    Oh, I’d say they give a damn … they give a damn very much. Just not the way you’re thinking.
  18. VenturanOctober 7, 2011 at 6:42 am
    Sorry – I made the mistake of assuming their job involves weighing the opinions of all their constituents.

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