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Voting and Looking Back at 1998

This morning I dropped my City of Santa Clarita prepaid envelope in the mail containing my ballot for the City Council race with election day exactly 26 days away.  Therefore, no matter WHAT happens in the next 26 days my votes for Harrison Katz, TimBen Boydston and Frank Ferry CANNOT be changed.

I am not alone.  Trends since the year 2000 when mail in ballots became the majority (55%) of ballots cast in a local election indicate the proportion of mail in ballots could reach 75% to 80% of the total votes this year.  Other voting pattern studies show that 90% of vote by mail voters return their ballots within one week of receiving the ballots, so by Monday, March 22, a high likelihood exists that 68 to 72% of the total votes available will be locked in.  Statistics would indicate that we could count the votes then and KNOW the eventual outcome, since the relatively small amount of precinct votes would require a substantial shift of vote distribution from vote by mails to alter the outcome.

So I hearken back to 1998 for the following reasons.  That was the year that incumbents Laurene Weste and Frank Ferry first took office taking the seats vacated by retiring incumbents Carl Boyer and Clyde Smyth.  In the 1996 election against two returning incumbents Frank and Laurene had come third and fourth respectively, setting up the classic succession when an incumbent left their seat.  Assemblyman Smyth would come fourth in this election in an unsuccessful attempt to replace his father, but come roaring back in 2000 to come first.  Marsha McLean, the consensus candidate of SCOPE and the Sierra Club in 1998 and current incumbent, would come a distant fifth in the election.

Another nuance in the 1998 election.  While vote by mails were still in the minority, they lept 80 PERCENT in absolute numbers from 1996 and have not looked back.  Sadly, the convenience of vote by mail (you don’t even need a stamp) has not served to increase participation but merely to cannibalize precinct votes.

Why is this nuance important?  Frank Ferry won his seat by garning a dispropotionate amount of vote by mails.  One knew this immediately since Lynn Plambeck and several other SCOPE partisans wrote LTE’s and guest columns stating that vote by mail was not really voting and should not be counted.

Other than the obvious question concerning the efficacy of campaigning in this last three to four weeks when many votes are locked in, one must question whether the vote by mail phenomenom has increased the base of “civic minded but uniformed” voter base that seems to number between 3,000 to 5,000.  In the past this group would reliably go heavily in favor of the incumbents probably soleley to vague name recognition and civic pride.

Will 2010 be different?  Have the challengers thrown enough hammers at the incumbents to cause a shift in the civic minded but uninformed?  Does this group even know the hammers have been thrown? 

The fact is that no one will be more fascinated than me by one or two challengers unseating incumbents, and I will quickly analyze the numbers to calculate the scale of the shift.  After all, I voted for two challengers.

Voting and Looking Back at 1998

Comments (13)

  1. ValMarch 18, 2010 at 11:44 am
    Tim, once I read you were voting for Frank Ferry, nothing else you had to say interested me. At least you are voting for Tim-Ben Boydston, but you should be embarrassed to admit you are voting for a corrupt political hack such as Frank Ferry. TERM LIMITS, PLEASE! If term limits are good enough for the President of the United States, and other elected positions, term limits are good enough for us.
  2. JayceMarch 18, 2010 at 1:05 pm
    One of my friends always tells me that. Voting by mail isn’t voting. I say sure Paul keep telling yourself that when you waste your gas, sit in traffic and then wait in line and hope you don’t get behind a few people having issues. My vote will count the same as yours buddy. :-p
  3. Timothy MyersMarch 18, 2010 at 1:11 pm
    Val: My Nebraska bride says I should be embarassed to go out in public considering the way I look, so if I have overcome that voting for Frank Ferry cannot be that big a deal!
  4. AnnetteMarch 18, 2010 at 1:35 pm
    Last night at the CCAC meeting, Mayor Weste was ask what her position was on term limits. Her response was, she thinks we do have term limits because, we vote on our council members. So, I guess if you are elected and re elected for 10 elections you can serve on the council for 40 years.
  5. CCMarch 18, 2010 at 1:40 pm
    Yep, I stopped reading at Frank Ferry.
  6. Timothy MyersMarch 18, 2010 at 2:49 pm
    Annette: Everybody wants term limits when their guys and gals and not in and then regret it when their guys and gals get in and get termed out. There are compelling arguments on how term limits actually hurt representative democracy since officeholders don’t make any hard decisions because they are just thinking about their next elected gig.
  7. coasterMarch 18, 2010 at 4:54 pm
    At least you voted to TBB. Wonder how the council will work if Ferry and Tim are both elected. I remember some fireworks when Tim was on the council
  8. BrianMarch 18, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    No Career Politicians!!!
  9. charlieMarch 18, 2010 at 6:35 pm
    Come on, Tim, Val is right. The President of the United States has term limits and city councils need them even more. At a local level, even politicians with the best intentions starting out end up dismissing and forgetting the regular guy. Tim, I can’t believe you would vote for a corrupt jerk like Frank Ferry. I too didn’t bother reading the rest of this, once I read that. Tim, you have lost all credibility. I wondered why it was so quiet on this blog today. Where are you Gail? Too busy with your damage-control (truth-hiding) efforts today to take your usual venom-splashing post on SCVTalk? The very conspicuous absence of certain regular posters here tells me that many of the nastiest posters on SCVTalk come right from city hall. Yep, that’s our tax dollars at work right here, city staff bullies sit here all day on SCVTalk, insulting people who attempt to spread the truth about local government corruption. But today, they were all busy, and lookee here, such a quit blog today. Maybe Bob Kellar’s interview with Fox News today, channel 11, CONFIRMIRMING a serious massage parlor problem in Santa Clarita, had Gail and Ken and Frank swallowing a truckload of antacids. Mike? You are unusually quiet today, too. Looks like your opinion that there are no massage parlor problems in SCV is not shared by Bob Kellar. Saw this from you on Dave Bossert’s West Ranch Beacon. I’m still laughing, thinking about what is about to hit the fan: 1.mike Says: March 17th, 2010 at 6:27 am ‘”So let me get this straight, someone is circulating a claim that’s complete BS, a total fabrication and you conclude ‘This story is more about the City mishandling of an issue then anything else’? Nice work. I know you’re the guy to go to when I want to make a story out of thin air.”‘ GREAT WORK DAVE BOSSERT!!! Fox News, channel 11, tonight at 10:00.
  10. Jim FarleyMarch 18, 2010 at 7:12 pm
    “civic minded but uniformed” I didn’t know the “uniformed” voter was a significant group in the SCV. I suppose you are refering to mail carriers, police officers, and the military? You got part of your vote right Timmy but how you chose Ferry over Gauny is beyond me.
  11. AnnetteMarch 18, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    Tim; That may be so for some, however IMHO, I think they should move on to a higher office, or term out. I do not want the good ol’ boy network to control my hometown as it seems to be now! No Incumbents! I am sorry that you are so deceived by Frank Ferry. I woke up to Frank when he tried to help us ruin a neighborhood by opening Valley/Calgrove. Yes, I do see the errors of my ways at that time.
  12. mikeMarch 19, 2010 at 6:02 am
    Sorry Chuck. Pulskamp asked us to take a break yesterday.
  13. anonymousMarch 19, 2010 at 6:08 am
    Here is the news link. http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/santa-claritas-massage-parlors-20100318

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