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What About Other HOA Swim Teams?

Bill Reynolds has weighed in once again over at the West Ranch Beacon http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/06/guest-commentary-summit-community-a-bastion-of-personal-attacks/ on the Summit Seals swim team controversy.  For those that may not want to spend the time reading this because you feel you may not be long for this world (like over 40), here is a short summary:

1.  Bill represents the forces of good and the angels;

2.  Seal parents and supporters are in league with Satan and are primarily motivated by some desire to “get Bill”;

3.  Supervised competitive diving will cause a mass casualty;

4.  The Seals need a gazillion dollars of insurance;  and

5.  HOA amenities really should not be used by residents.

There is also a strange story about a horse statue in the middle and if someone can explain that to me I would be most grateful.

However, I wish to address a question posted by a Commenter named “Lurker” who wondered why elements in the Summit were so hostile to the swim team while other HOA’s “embraced” the teams.  Here is some more color on that.

In a Signal editorial I related how Northbridge and Northbridge Pointe each have a competitive swim team that utilizes the HOA pools (the Bluefins and the Piranhas) and I had never heard an ill word against them.  After speaking with a friend who is active in the teams, I learned that they get their fair share of complaints.  (The first time someone shows up to use the pool and a swim meet is going on the management company is usually contacted.)  He said, however, that the complaints never gain traction because of the following:

1.  The swim organizations have a large emeritus board that includes residents whose children have aged out of the program but who still support it.  This increases the chance that a complainer will have a neighbor or friend they like and respect who supports the team and they will back off because they crave this person’s approval; and

2.  Swim team parents and supporters mobilize their votes to make certain that pro swim team residents elevate to the HOA Board.

What appears to have occurred in the Summit is that a sub-Board with access to homeowners’ funds can actually move forward and fund legal challenges to the Seals, where any single curmudgeon homeowner in Northbridge and Northbridge Pointe would need to fund hourly legal challenges out of their own pocket.  Better to just swim during the many hours (and months) when the swim team does not use the pool.

What About Other HOA Swim Teams?

Comments (196)

  1. DamageincJune 21, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    HAHA! Hilarious!
  2. Samuel AdamsJune 21, 2010 at 5:42 pm
    As a parent of two Bluefins, I could not imagine anyone complaining about HOA swimteams. We pay a good amount of money for our kids to swim and our meets are early Saturday mornings. We also leave the pool areas better than they were when we got there. The only time someone cannot use the pool is during the actual “meet” and there are only four per year, two at one pool and two at the other. During practices, a good portion of the pool is still open for others to swim. But in Northbridge, there are no “diving” competitions since our pools are rather shallow. Just straight racing. My kids love it and so does every kid involved and I think that speaks a lot for it. When adults stop caring about kids, then I get very worried…
  3. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 11:07 am
    Hello Samuel, what do you consider a good amount of money? I agree 100%, when adults stop caring about kids, it is very worrisome.
  4. ReaderMamaJune 21, 2010 at 6:30 pm
    I think your characterization of Bill’s piece is unfair, Tim. The piece is a bit verbose, but does raise legitimate gripes. I think Bill’s finding that the HOA’s own umbrella insurance policy would be canceled should the insurance company find out about the swim team’s activities is a serious concern. I also think that the use of HOA funds to construct a pool that was more expensive and “competition friendly” without a vote by homeowners and at the expense of paying legitimate bills or putting aside adequate reserves was wrong on the part of the HOA. I don’t know why Bill couldn’t have expressed those points here in a succinct manner, but nevertheless they are legitimate concerns. It does appear as though the Seals have been the beneficiaries of “having friends in the right places.” And I understand the resentment that can cause. But for the sake of the kids, I hope the issue can be resolved.
  5. DamageincJune 21, 2010 at 6:37 pm
    Tim is being funny, either way Bill deserves everything he gets. He is the grumpy old man with the grapefruit sized prostate yelling and shaking his first at the neighbor kids to get off his lawn. He needs to retire somewhere that isn’t family friendly suburbia. I hear Antarctica is nice this time of year.
  6. ToddJune 21, 2010 at 7:02 pm
    I read the piece… and the one question I have is “community volunteer” code for “unemployed trust fund baby?” I’d like to point out that NAFF, err Bill’s piece says that the liability policy would be cancelled, not the umbrella policy. Further, both are simple fixes that could be made that would specifically exclude the swim team’s activities and require their own insurance. As an organizer of motorsports and other automotive events, I often encounter similar circumstances… where I specifically must sign exclusions that exempt myself from the facility’s policy and I am required to provide my own. I’ve had more $1 Million, $3 Million and $5 Million policies in my 34 years than I can count…. They’re not hard to come by, and they’re usually not even that expensive.
  7. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 7:40 am
    Swim team has their own liability insurance policy of $ 5 million raised form $ 2 million , the Stratford board wants them to get $ 20 million. Who has a $ 20 million policy on a swim team? Canyons Aquatics has only $ 2 million. USSA Swimming has $ 5 million.
  8. Bill ReynoldsJune 21, 2010 at 7:31 pm
    ReaderMama, thank you very much for the good words… I wrote the piece as sincerely as possible. It certainly will be interesting to see what shakes out of this controversy. Meanwhile, I must thank little Timmy for posting up my letter.
  9. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 5:29 am
    Reader Mama, again Bill does not tell you the entire story. I have lived in the Summit since 1987 and after the earhtquake we were not assesed one extra cent or had increases of our dues because of the repair on the pool. All the funds to repair and upgrade the pool were paid by the insurance company. He also forgets to tell you that the repair of the pool in 1994 had nothing to do with putting aside adequate reserves in 2006.
  10. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 8:09 am
    I have ’94 & ’95 financial documents that show an entirely different story.
  11. BrianJune 21, 2010 at 6:56 pm
    The Sierra Hills team in Canyon Country is outstanding. They swim and save the drama for the queens on the other side of town! HOA done right!
  12. JillJune 21, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    Is Bill Reynolds delusional? The insurance rep came to the Summit HOA meeting and answered the very direct question, “do you know the Summit has a swim team?” He laughed and said, “of course we know the Summit has a swim team.” They weren’t running off to cancel the coverage. There were so many lies in the Signal on Saturday. It is a shame the swim team was so nice. I wish they’d stand up against these people who have nothing better to do with their time than spread rumors that have no truth to them. I’ve witnessed the swim team leadership consistently tell the parents to stay calm and not react. If there are a couple of stray parents, that is one thing. But the swim team has done nothing but be passive in this whole affair. They’ve rolled over and given everything that was special to the kids to these few complainers. I have no idea how the Signal took the stance that the parents are the menacing ones. I’ve never seen anything like that at all- in fact, all I’ve seen is the video of the guy videotaping the families. That looked far more menacing. Bill should rest easy as the swim team will slowly fall apart without all of the fun things they used to have planned so stop spending the Stratfords money and just let it happen. Just my “very sick of the lies” opinion.
  13. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 7:26 am
    Bill has no concept of reality or truth, he thinks everyone else is wrong or out to get him, he says things but has no proof or cannot back up his claims. Just because Bill says it does not mean it’s true, he has shown that over and over. The very small minority of homeowners that are against the swim team have tried to destroy a long tradition of fun and safe activites for our kids. Hope you guys are proud of yourselves.
  14. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 7:47 am
    Jill, you have to admit that it’s one thing for an insurance guy to say, “yeah, we know the Summit has a swim team”… but it’s an entirely different thing as to whether those activities are actually covered. I recently logged onto our HOA Web Site and reviewed our Philadelphia Insurance document and when it comes to language pertaining to sports activity coverage, it seems very questionable. I’m not an insurance expert, but you can bet that experts are looking at that too. Check Page 74 and see what you think. Jill, after recently meeting with a former swim team officer for approximately 3 hours discussing this stuff, I can tell you that swim team parents are not fully informed and that is a shame. As I stated in my WRB posting, I firmly believe the vast majority of swim team parents are very decent, however there a few swim team advocates that are not helping your cause at all. Best regards…
  15. AnnetteJune 21, 2010 at 9:44 pm
    I would say Bill cares very much about the kids and the homeowners! Heaven forbid that one of the kids gets a spinal cord injury and the insurance coverage is inadequate to cover the care it will require. It only takes one mistake and a life could be forever changed! Not that common but it does happen!
  16. Just a LurkerJune 22, 2010 at 4:27 am
    Spinal chord injuries are the result of reckless behavior in the pool, no coach or parent would allow their children to act in ways that would be detrimental to their health and their pocket books – they are homeowners and these are their kids. The team is insured, there is no need for the HOA to act paternalisticly by claiming that it is they who have the best interest of the homeowners and the children. I think the issue here could be resolved simply through rational discourse. A true test of whether the swim team detractors are acting in good faith would be to ask: Specifically, does the swim team do or expect anything of its HOA that is unreasonable and out of the ordinary compared to similar HOA swim teams locally? If not, then it is the HOA who is being unreasonable. If yes, than the HOA should provide specific information as to the issue so that the team can resolve it and can see how based on a like situation. The second question: (for Mr. Reynolds) If information suggests that the swim team currently meets these standards, would you then approve of these activities? I’m headed to a swim meet today where our city league is competing with an HOA team. I’m interested to see what issues if any they have dealt with.
  17. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 5:23 am
    Annette, according to the CDC there are no diving accidents in a swimming pool when they involve an organized swim team program. Almost all of the diving accident that involve head and neck injuries occur in lakes, rivers and oceans. Diving accident that involve a swimming pool are the result of diving off a high platform or when performing tricks. If Mr. Reynolds is so concerned about kids and accidents, why does he let his grandkids play baseball, there are more many more accidents involving kids and baseball. Does he let them ride a bike or skateboard? Again those activities involve a huge risk for kids for severe head injuries and deaths.
  18. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 8:17 am
    Annette, God forbid a sports accident happens to any kid, but if it happens at a city recreational center and there’s a multi million $$’s payout… it would fall to SCV’s tax payers. However, if it happens in our 1,019 homeowner community rec ctr, guess who picks up the tab? Besides that, I have just received a document that clearly shows that our new Philapdelphia Insurance Policy excludes swim team activity. So now we know why the Stratfords are pushing this issue. This is a SUMMIT NEWS ALERT!
  19. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 8:39 am
    Bill, please tell us where and when there has been a major accident that involved a competitive kids swim team. The kids are more likely to be hit by lighting while in the pool than have any major accident while swimming or diving in the pool.
  20. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 11:51 am
    Still waiting Bill
  21. scvtruthsquadJune 22, 2010 at 6:53 am
    Annette, where has it happened?
  22. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 7:29 am
    That’s right Annette! Bill is doing God’s work and we should put Bill and Cam in Charge of EVERYTHING (other than instruction on how to right a coherent declarative sentence).
  23. AnnetteJune 22, 2010 at 12:18 pm
    Tim, I did not say that and why must you be so sarcastic?
  24. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 12:27 pm
    Because I am a Lutheran and a Midwesterner!
  25. Mark from SaugusJune 21, 2010 at 11:05 pm
    The City of Santa Clarita’s Recreation Department has a wonderful swim team program that doesn’t involve HOA’s filled with jerks and their personal agendas.
  26. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 8:11 am
    And Mark, don’t forget the City’s outstanding basketball program; my grandkids play there and it is fantastic!
  27. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 9:24 am
    Bill are’nt you worried that might fall and hit their heads, sounds very dangerous to me, how much insurance does the city have?
  28. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 9:27 am
    Yes, I do worry – basket ball is a tough sport for tough kids; not sure of the insurance coverage but there at least 100,000 tax payers in SCV.
  29. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 9:33 am
    So you don’t know how much insurance coverage the city has? why don’t you know? Is there a release form that they sign? So you are ok with all us taxpayers paying the bill for an injury?
  30. AnnetteJune 22, 2010 at 6:41 am
    My point, it only takes one mistake to change a life forever! It can happen anywhere!
  31. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 6:51 am
    Yes Annnette, its true , but its all a matter of if you want to put the kids in bubble wrap. Do you let your kids or grandkids ride a bike? skateboard? play footbal or baseball? Actually according to the CDC competive swimming is one of the safest competitive sports for kids. As I sated before, according to the CDC there are no major diving accidents in a swimming pool when they involve an organized swim team program. Almost all of the diving accident that involve head and neck injuries occur in lakes, rivers and oceans. Diving accident that involve a swimming pool are the result of diving off a high platform or when performing tricks.
  32. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 7:30 am
    Annette, Are you posting from an iPad because that is the only thing that would fit comfortably under the bed where you are hiding because of your sheer terror of life? Why not bring up something that is more likely than the spinal cord injury in a supervised swim team: The Seals are a gateway to human trafficking!!!
  33. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 7:49 am
    Little Timmy, how are things in the Soylent Green Factory?
  34. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 1:38 pm
    Business is booming! Got a vat set aside for you when you decide to throw in the towel!
  35. scvtruthsquadJune 22, 2010 at 2:40 pm
    Tim, I think Bill’s expiration date has way passed, they would reject him.
  36. AnnetteJune 22, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    Tim, You are plain disgusting! Not terrified, but I have visited a rehab for Spinal Cord injuries .
  37. scvtruthsquadJune 22, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Annette, not sure what is your point. Because you visited a rehab for spinal cord injuries does that mean that kids can’t swim on a swim team? I once visited a a burn center, I guess we need to elimnate fire.
  38. JaneJune 22, 2010 at 9:35 am
    I do not know what is currently going on with The Summit finances, I moved in the late 90s. I do know that after the Northridge quake, a small community pool was turned into a waveless, heated olympic pool, with a cool deck and enhanced clubhouse just for the swim team. I do not believe that insurance was used for the “upgrades” because the whole point of insurance is to put back what was lost, not make things better than they were.
  39. ToddJune 22, 2010 at 9:47 am
    Jane, you’re incorrect. Insurance is to replace the value of what was lost. Value. So if the damaged pool value was $100,000, then the HOA would get $100,000 from the insurance company to make repairs. If they could scrape it down and make a new one for the value of the old one, then thats how they got a new one. Seems unlikely to me, but who knows… I’ve gotten more from my insurance for a car that was stolen than I paid for it, so I know it is possible…
  40. scvtruthsquadJune 22, 2010 at 10:29 am
    If you moved in the late 90′s how do you know what was there or what was spend or what was done? What were the clubhouse enhancements you are talking about? The pool is the same size as it was before the earthquake, the pool was heated before the earthquake and is heated now, the pool was a junior Olympic pool and it still is, not any bigger or smaller. The cool deck was put on a small portion of the deck, if you look at the new deck that was recently repaired the cool deck is all over the deck.
  41. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 10:43 am
    May I ask a questions, what does earthquake damage and replacement have to do with kids not being able to swim on their swim team, or Strafford asking for $ 20 million in insurance from the seals. The earthquake happened 16 years ago and we have a beautiful rec center, I comend those that had some forsight to fix our faciltity to better than it was before. Lets move on people, lets look at what Strafford is doing to our swim team and our kids and our community.
  42. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 11:13 am
    SCVDad, I understand completely why you want to move on. Ha-ha! And thank you, I am very hapopy with the recent pool deck repair project. However, that expensive $62K project would not have been necessary if the pool had been reconstructed after the ’94 earthquake to it’s original configuration. This is undeniable…
  43. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 11:16 am
    Can we start talking about the horse statue please?
  44. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 11:23 am
    What do you want to know, little man?
  45. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 1:39 pm
    Was it a big old stud horse or a gelding?
  46. Bill ReynoldsJune 27, 2010 at 11:13 am
    It was a short and gelded with a shiny head… no wait, I thought we were talking about you Little Timmy. Ha!
  47. scvdadJune 22, 2010 at 11:50 am
    Bill, I did not ask you the question, I asked Jane, not sure why you are responding. What does the earthquake 16 years ago and pool deck have to do with our kids swimming in on the Seals today.My kids were not even born then.
  48. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 12:54 pm
    Hey yo-yo, I was resonding to Little Timmy.
  49. Just a LurkerJune 22, 2010 at 11:01 am
    Bill you said : “Besides that, I have just received a document that clearly shows that our new Philapdelphia Insurance Policy excludes swim team activity.” This is normal procedure for insurance. Most HOA insurance policies do not pay to cover sports activities like a swim team in their insurance and that is why the Seals carry their own policy. Why is that so hard to understand? Now I will ask one more time, if insurance policies at other HOAs (not just in California but across the country) are comparable (actually most are less) in coverage to what the Seals currently have, why should anyone think it is reasonable to demand more?
  50. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 11:19 am
    Just a Lurker: It is always the MO of cranks to bring up a piece of information that is generally known and then act like it is a big, new revelation!
  51. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 11:22 am
    Hey short little Timmy, how are things in the Soylent Green Factory? Ha!
  52. DamageincJune 23, 2010 at 1:22 am
    Bonnie Blue drives a H2 to compensate for that dimeroll.
  53. Bill ReynoldsJune 27, 2010 at 11:13 am
    Huh?
  54. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 11:21 am
    Lurker, if I remember correctly, The Stratfords were not concerned with what other HOA’s have covered or what their expenses are. These people live in the Summit, so maybe you should ask them your questions? Thankfully, I resigned from the board and I did not vote to approve the curerent swim team contract (also, I voted no last year), so I know that I am not personally liable should a catastrophic event occur. Yeah, I know… that is very unlikely, huh. Who would have thought 9/11 would happen, or the ’94 earthquake? S_ _ _ happens! Regards…
  55. Just a LurkerJune 22, 2010 at 1:46 pm
    Why do you not care what others do? Are you that smart or arrogant? This is an example of an ignorant Board, one that does not have best the interest of its residents if it refuses to listen or learn about what works in other neighborhoods. You don’t make decisions in a vacuum, to live life fearing a catastrophic event is not what the majority of residents are interested in paying for and that is why you don’t see others paying ridiculous amounts for insurance and maybe that is why there is peace in those neighborhoods and controversy in yours. As a side note, not a scientific poll by all means, but parents of the HOA swim team I spoke to today were quite frankly stunned at what is transpiring at Summit/Stratford. They have not experienced anything like this in their neighborhood.
  56. Samuel AdamsJune 22, 2010 at 12:32 pm
    Geez…..all I can say is thank goodness I live in Northbridge.
  57. soccermomJune 22, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    My parents almost purchased a home in Stratford back when they were first being built. I’m thankful they didn’t because it seems like the grandkids wouldn’t be too welcome. A bunch old fogies (sp?) live there and my parents are definitely not that!
  58. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 12:52 pm
    I take my grandkids to our pools here at the Summit and they have a lot fun.
  59. ToddJune 22, 2010 at 1:52 pm
    When will the next time be? I’ll be sure to bring my video camera and camp out.
  60. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Oh SNAP!!!!!
  61. scvtruthsquadJune 22, 2010 at 2:00 pm
    Do they get in the pool Bill? or do you just tell them, hey look kids this is a swimming pool, you can’t go in , you can only look at it, we don’t want it to be overly used and kids be carefull don’t walk on the concrete either so you dont damage it.
  62. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 2:36 pm
    Oh Truth Trooper, you’re just so silly. Be vewy careful… The Soylent Green Factory workers may come for you as they did Little Timmy Myers. But he likes it there.
  63. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Thursday at 2:00pm… see yaaaa.
  64. Summit ReporterJune 22, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    OMG R they residents?
  65. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 1:56 pm
    That is why it is the nexus of political power in the SCV. Almost entirely populated by people with sense!
  66. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 2:34 pm
    How does that apply to you Little Tiimy over there in the Soylent Green Factory?
  67. Samuel AdamsJune 22, 2010 at 3:02 pm
    Okay, is it just me or do others think it is pretty stupid to talk about The Summit in the West Ranch Beacon? Wouldn’t the proper response have been to the Signal in the first place since that is where the story appeared?
  68. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 3:15 pm
    Yeah, why would anyone do that!? Gee whiz, that’s about as crazy a notion as West Ranch Baseball teams playing… say Valencia or Hart. That would be completely stupid! Oh wait…
  69. Timothy MyersJune 22, 2010 at 3:27 pm
    The Signal has a word and coherence limit.
  70. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 3:38 pm
    Yeah, rriiiggghhhttt! Ha-ha! They let Soylent Green Factory inpatients drop by such as YOU!
  71. mikeJune 22, 2010 at 3:45 pm
    Same guy who makes the same comment 13 times in a row is kinda like the guy who makes the same video 13 times in a row.
  72. Bill ReynoldsJune 22, 2010 at 4:09 pm
    Are you there with Little Timmy?
  73. DamageincJune 23, 2010 at 1:17 am
    Bam! Mike owns Bonnie!
  74. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 6:43 am
    Bam! Bonnie owns Dam Genie!
  75. Mike (with an upper case "M"June 22, 2010 at 7:28 pm
    This response to one of Bill’s statements is directed at everyone but Bill, as I have come to realize that he is at a point in his life where he will never change his opinions. So, page 74 of the Philadelphia Insurance policy for the Summit HOA states several sporting events that are excluded from coverage. One of those events is “diving”…it does not say “swim team” as one of the excluded events. A “diving” event is one in which people are diving from various diving boards and/or platforms. Nonetheless, if Bill still wants to think that “diving” equals “swim team”, then read further on page 74, where it clearly states that the HOA may not SPONSOR any of those excluded events. The Summit HOA does not SPONSOR the swim team…that’s the whole reason why the swim team is a separate corporation and why there’s a contract in place. One could argue that some of the teams we swim against are sponsored by their HOAs, as none of those teams are stand-alone entities. Apparently, those homeowners don’t fear for their homes. But, I know Bill doesn’t care about what other communities do, so I won’t dwell on that. Now, Bill knows full well what that insurance policy covers and what it doesn’t cover. He just likes to throw little things out there that sort of “muddies the water” for the other bystanders out there. He was probably laughing to himself as he typed that. But, as an HOA board member at the time that policy was put in place, I’m told he was FULLY briefed on all aspects of it. In addition, if he had bothered to attend the OPEN session of the board meeting where the rep from Philadelpia Insurance took questions, he would have also been informed what page 74 meant. So, it seems that Bill is being a little less-than-honest with this particular topic. He also clarified that he was a little less-than-honest when he said he has nothing against the swim team…he just wants the homeowners protected. It’s now apparent that he has had something stuck in his “craw” about the swim team since 1994, with that whole thing about the pool being made better than it was. It would also have been interesting to see what sort of principles Bill might have had a few years ago, when the swim team was considering allowing grandchildren of residents to swim on the team. Would he have allowed his grandkids to join the team, or would he have stood on principle, refusing to let them join, as they would have been contributing to the enhanced liability facing all the Summit residents? Of course, I’m sure he’ll say now that he would not have let them join, but it’s an interesting “what if”.
  76. friend of a member of swim team at another poolJune 22, 2010 at 9:25 pm
    bill, you are looked upon as being a s hit stirrer. give it a rest. no one cares about your agenda. I am so thankful you are not my neighbor. In order for a policy to pay, there has to be negligence. yeah duty to defend and all that……Read up a little. Learn a little about how insurance works before you go spouting off nonsense. ask other hoas how much their swim teams insurance coverage is. become informed.
  77. Summit ResidentJune 23, 2010 at 6:48 am
    I agree SA. Posting it in the WRB made no sense. Bill failed in his effort to stop the swim team and resigned from the board because no one was listening to him anymore and he was being used as the errand boy to carry out tasks no one else wanted to do. The swim season is already half over and everyone participating on the swim team is having a great time. Bill has returned to his personal hobby of sitting in his house at the computer responding to the various blogs in which he is being criticized and ridiculed. I count four of them. Time for the swim families to enjoy their swim season with each other and time for Bill to huddle in his house and hunt for and respond to the ridicule and criticism being heaped on him.
  78. scvtruthsquadJune 23, 2010 at 6:54 am
    Bill, when will you be answering these questiosn instead of your inane comments 1.You say that the Seals Swim team has entitlements by getting the pool use for free, doesn’t Strafford Board use the clubhouse for free for their meetings and isn’t that an entitlement to them? 2. Aren’t all the swim team member’s homeowners that can use the pool facility at any time for as long as they want without a contract? 3. The part of the CCR’s you have been quoted as proof that the swim team cannot operate has nothing has nothing to do with the swim team using the facility. What other section can you refer to? That section in the CCR’s has nothing to do with swim team using the facility. A non-exclusive easement means that you, as the property owner, have the right to sell access to the easement to other parties. With a non-exclusive easement, only the people listed on the easement deed are currently allowed access. An easement that is “non-exclusive” is simply is an easement that someone else may also use. 4. You have continuously mentioned that the kids diving in a shallow pool during meets or practice is dangerous, can you show us one study that indicates what you are saying is not just hearsay? According to the CDC and did a search; there is not one single incident of someone having a diving accident during a swim meet or practice in a kids swim program. 5. Is it not true that you and Cam were bent on stopping the swim team in any way from the first day you came on the Summit board? That other board members offered to meet with you and Cam and you refused in regards to the swim team issues? 6. Is it true that you secretly met with the Strafford board to plan strategies of how to stop the swim team? 7. Isn’t true that there is wide support from the Summit community for the swim team, in the last election the 3 pro swim team candidates defeated your anti swim team candidates by a 2-1 margin? Also in the recall of Cam she was soundly defeated by a 66% yes vote? 8. You keep saying you are not opposed to swim team, but you do not want them to use the pool, you do not want them to dive, you do not want them to hold meets, how does a swim team operate if they can’t do any of those? 9. How much insurance is enough for the swim team? 20 million? 30 million? 10. What is the big deal for the Seals to use one pool for 4 hours per day when there are 3 other pools avaliable? and Strafford has 3 of its own pools too.
  79. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 8:25 am
    Truth Trooper, et al… I have stated my position as clearly as possible and the fact is, a group of you cannot tolerate another person’s opinions and therefore you set out to demonize those who disagree. Here’s the deal: thankfully I resigned from the Summit Board after many accomplishments as recognized by my former board members in our June Newsletter. I am not involved with any negotiations to resolve open matters, if any remain. If you want answers I suggest attending tonight’s Summit Board meeting. If you are not Summit Residents, then what you have to say here is meaningless. Have a nice summer – Go Seals!
  80. scvdadJune 23, 2010 at 8:44 am
    Speaking of meaningless, I guess that describes you Bill to a tea. You spout off so much crap and then refuse to defend your position or answer any questions, you imply that everyone is wrong and don’t have any facts to prove your points. Thank God you are off our board; go back to your underground bunker! And please we don’t need you cheering for the our Seals, you only look hypocritical.
  81. MoneyJune 23, 2010 at 7:50 am
    What’s up with the Daily Brief? Is it gone?
  82. scvtruthsquadJune 23, 2010 at 8:19 am
    I believe Jeff was involved in a serious bike accident, had a concussion. I hear he will be ok
  83. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 8:40 am
    Well, at least he went down saving the planet…
  84. Jeff (But not the one that runs this blogJune 23, 2010 at 8:57 am
    Wow, if this comment doesn’t just sum up entirely what just about everyone who seems to know about you thinks of you as a person. What an absolute A-hole. God forbid you should ever suffer an accident and have a similar response to your well being. Here’s wishing you the best of health and safety, too bad it’s not the way you feel about other human beings. Sad, just sad.
  85. scvdadJune 23, 2010 at 9:01 am
    That is why Bill is the most loved person in the SCV, NOT.
  86. MoneyJune 23, 2010 at 9:24 am
    Really, Bill. Really? You are nothing more than a cowardly, old misanthrope
  87. scvtruthsquadJune 23, 2010 at 9:46 am
    Bill, the guy almost died. He was a very lucky guy, his helmet saved his life. WOW, what a nice guy you are.
  88. Street KnowledgeJune 23, 2010 at 10:06 am
    Fuck you, Bill Reynolds.
  89. DamageincJune 23, 2010 at 10:23 am
    co-sign
  90. Jeff (But not the one that runs this blogJune 23, 2010 at 11:15 am
    Ditto
  91. DamageincJune 23, 2010 at 10:30 am
    Spoken like a true asshole Bill. You are very lucky you said that behind the protection of your computer keyboard.
  92. Street KnowledgeJune 23, 2010 at 11:20 am
    BR: In your honor, imma go please myself /w these pics: http://www.bikiniscience.com/chronology/1965-1970_SS/JF6610_S/JF6610.html
  93. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 1:23 pm
    I own you liberals! Hahaha!
  94. Jeff (But not the one that runs this blogJune 23, 2010 at 1:57 pm
    Based on your comment about Jeff you own nothing. No compassion, no common sense, no decency. This is the statement of a morally and emotionally bankrupt individual. My goodness you must be fighting some sort of childhood demons or something to lash out at everyone around you in as damaging a fashion as possible, hopefully you get the help you need. You are apparently nothing more than an angry, spiteful, bitter and nasty old man who is not happy unless he is stepping on someone else’s joy. That is a sad burden to carry, and a sorry way to live your life.
  95. Damageinc (bill's ownerJune 24, 2010 at 9:28 pm
    Bill you don’t even own your own mind…
  96. KellyJune 23, 2010 at 8:45 am
    I hope Jeff is okay and feeling better soon, please let us know, thank you. Can the Stratford HOA secede from Summit HOA in order to avoid their concerns about diving, insurance coverage, entitlements, etc, etc?
  97. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 8:56 am
    Kelly, may I suggest that you attend the Summit Board meeting tonight and ask your question. It begins at 7:30 and the public participation is at the beginning… unlike SCV’s City Council where they pushed it to the end of their hearings.
  98. scvdadJune 23, 2010 at 8:57 am
    I think they need to secede from Santa Clarita and have their own city that does not any fun.
  99. scvtruthsquadJune 23, 2010 at 9:11 am
    Yes, the City of Stratford, No one under 70 allowed, an exception would be made if you are under 70 and your mom owns it and then you can live there. No one can have fun, you must be cranky all the time and you are not allowed to overly use the facilties.
  100. Summit ResidentJune 23, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Bill’s dickiness is well known in the Summit
  101. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 11:39 am
    My, my… it is hilarious to read these childish remarks. Grow up ya girlie men. Ha!
  102. scvdadJune 23, 2010 at 11:55 am
    Bill do you even have a moral compass? Do you know how to have some compasion? How sad for you ! NO wonder you are the most hated man in Santa Clarita. Back to your undeground bunker.
  103. DamageincJune 23, 2010 at 2:19 pm
    You shouldn’t throw stones if you live in a glass house and if you got a glass jaw, you should watch yo mouth…
  104. KellyJune 23, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    I don’t have the right to attend the HOA meeting, Bill R., thanks for the invite however. I am just a nearby resident, and have many Summit friends, and our child is a swimmer for one of the Seal’s HOA competitors in the swim league. I have always tried to be respectful, regardless of difference of opinion, as I wholeheartedly support you or anyone’s right to have one. Annette, I appreciate your concern re.Spinal cord injury, since I am a public health nurse. Extensive clinical research documents the risk of drowning of non-swimmers, and injury due to slip and fall on a pool deck is significantly higher and of greater concern for HOA liability exposure, than spinal cord injury.
  105. Mike (with an upper case "M"June 23, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    And far, far more concerning to the insurance company than having a swim team (that dives or doesn’t dive from the edge of the pool) is that the HOA allows alcohol to be served when groups rent the clubhouse (the swim team does not permit alcohol when they use the clubhouse).
  106. BrianJune 23, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    It appears that the right doesn’t have a clue what socialism or facism is. Ask Reynolds! The answer isn’t Obama but these idiots who rule HOAs like private kingdoms and try to baffle everyone with bullshit! Why anyone would want to live like that is beyond me! What a heartless statement from a jackass named Reynolds. Get well soon Jeff! Is the bike OK?
  107. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 2:42 pm
    Hey moron, that’s why I resigned in protest – I don’t appreciate board members operating like a dictatorship, i.e, Obama-like. You mean he didn’t save the planet!? He just bumped his head? Kelly, maybe your friend could attend tonight and ask those important questions. Best wishes to a rational commenter…
  108. BrianJune 23, 2010 at 6:10 pm
    Do you even understand how our government operates? You wouldn’t come off with such inane comments against our President if you did. Legally elected by an substantial majority escapes you. Dictator my ass. He continually has to deal with partisan whiners and obstructionists. Obama is the president and what you think is really irrelevant. You liked being smarter than a Bush though, didn’t you? That of course isn’t saying much at all!
  109. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 6:48 pm
    Apparently my comments are relevant, otherwise you would not respond. Ha! Thanks, though…
  110. Summit ResidentJune 23, 2010 at 4:19 pm
    Only Bill would find a board elected by 2/3 of the membership a dictatorship or a program supported by 2/3 of the membership a special interest group. If they don’t agree with him, they are a special interest dictatorship.
  111. Bill ReynoldsJune 23, 2010 at 6:49 pm
    Nice try…
  112. scvtruthsquadJune 24, 2010 at 6:27 am
    Bill, your resignation had a huge affect on last night’s HOA meeting, women were weeping, men were all choked up. Yeah right!!!!
  113. Bill ReynoldsJune 24, 2010 at 5:57 pm
    Truth Trooper, I heard it was a yawner and besides I’ve already been thanked for my contibutions by the board via our June Newsletter. Oh that’s right, you don’t get the newsletter because you live in a rathole on the wrong side of the tracks. Harhar!
  114. scvtruthsquadJune 25, 2010 at 5:31 am
    I heard it went well and very smooth….I wonder if there is a connection that you are not on the board anymore. I guess the thank you for you serving on the board was something the other board members have that you don’t … CLASS, don’t let the door hit you on the way out…
  115. scvtruthsquadJune 25, 2010 at 7:55 am
    By the way Bill, the pool deck color looks like crap, what the heck color is that? are you color blind? the color chart lists it as Keopactate. Great work Bill.
  116. Bill ReynoldsJune 27, 2010 at 11:20 am
    The Seals like it! Ha!
  117. Summit ResidentJune 24, 2010 at 12:33 pm
    It’s a new day in the Summit without a doubt.
  118. scvdadJune 24, 2010 at 12:59 pm
    Yes, the sun is shining, birds are singing, kids are splashing in the pool and even diving and people actually having fun, that must ruin Bill’s day.
  119. Street KnowledgeJune 24, 2010 at 1:00 pm
    What, no smell of napalm in the morning?
  120. Bill ReynoldsJune 24, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    “Street Knowledge”…. oxymoron alert!
  121. Damageinc (bill's ownerJune 24, 2010 at 9:30 pm
    “Bonnie Reynolds”… Moron alert!
  122. scvtruthsquadJune 25, 2010 at 7:12 am
    You are being too mean to morons, I don’t think Bill is up to their standards
  123. Bill ReynoldsJune 25, 2010 at 11:00 am
    You girlie men are just so clever – not. Ha!
  124. Bill ReynoldsJune 27, 2010 at 11:21 am
    Sure was… immediately after you and your pal were recalled! Ha!
  125. Summit fanJune 25, 2010 at 9:42 pm
    So Bill and Cam, will you be attending the Summit vs. Valencia Hills swim meet on Saturday? I hear there will be lots of little kids with ice cream and lollipops for you to pick on.
  126. Bill ReynoldsJune 26, 2010 at 6:42 am
    Hey Summit, you don’t possess enough courage to make these type comments using your real name, huh…
  127. Damageinc (bill's ownerJune 26, 2010 at 7:49 am
    Pot meet notaferryfan.
  128. Summit ResidentJune 26, 2010 at 7:08 am
    No Bill won’t be there. He will be hunched over his computer jumping from website to website where people are slamming him. He will be responding by claiming he is more manly than they are. I thought he had hobbies he was going to go back to now that he is no longer on the board and bothering Summit residents? Looks like that was just another lie from Bill.
  129. DamageincJune 26, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    You forget ending every half sentence response with “HA!”
  130. Bill ReynoldsJune 26, 2010 at 10:10 pm
    Dame Genie, you don’t know what you’re… Ha!
  131. Bill ReynoldsJune 26, 2010 at 7:23 pm
    Well, this is an easy task considering what a small man you are, Summit Res. One of my hobbies is slamming wimps like you because it’s easy pickings. Ha! Speaking of liars, take a close look at yourself – I know who you are.
  132. Just a LurkerJune 28, 2010 at 4:45 am
    Mr. Reynolds – I have yet to see you slamming anyone here. If you believe this, (take this from someone who does not know any of the players here), you are delusional. You have not given me the impression of someone who is honestly interested in coming to any resolution to healing your community. If you are concerned about being attacked, you are not responding in a more respectable or mature manner to expect to be treated differently. I attempted to encourage you to look at how other like communities peacefully deal with similar issues and your attitude was that you could care less. I think that having a differing opinion is fine, unless that opinion is ill-informed. I (and others) offered you some opportunities to reevaluate your opinion based on easy to find facts regarding insurance, your own HOA bylaws, methods of success based on similar HOAs, and medical data, yet you just don’t seem to have any interest in listening. I’m sorry you are unable to recognize flaws in your stance and continue to resort to name-calling.
  133. Bill ReynoldsJune 28, 2010 at 10:11 am
    Lurker, I wrote my opinions in several letters and so I am not going to waste time trying to convince you or anyone else of my positions on these matters. The fact remains, that when I inquired about insurance coverage last March I was stunned at what little coverage we had. And the minimal coverage we had certainly seemed questionable. Furthermore, the swim team apparently ceased diving into the shallow end of the pool and they have suspended certain other questionable activities. From what I am hearing, much progress has been made as a result of the Stratford HOA’s letter of resolution to reduce liability to our entire HOA. I don’t have the latest status, but I hear from friends who attend Stratford board meetings that their board may meet, or has met directly with swim team officials to continue resolving some open items. This sounds like a peaceful process to me…
  134. scvdadJune 28, 2010 at 11:58 am
    Bill, what questionable activies are you talking about? A water polo game between the parents and kids? wow that is trully a questionable activitie.
  135. Bill ReynoldsJune 28, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    Find out from those who affiliated to the swim team who now consider you a buffoon. Ha! How about distributing new flyers that identify the numerous swim team changes that have ocurred since you were ostracized.
  136. scvdadJune 28, 2010 at 8:15 am
    Wow, Bill you were right, lots of kids smahed their heads diving in the pool during the meet, what a carnage..maybe 20 or 30 kids were injured…Ha Ha
  137. Bill ReynoldsJune 28, 2010 at 10:11 am
    Wow, SCV Dad… sounds like you bumped your little head.
  138. scvdadJune 28, 2010 at 12:00 pm
    No Bill, I did not, at least I know I still have all my faculties and not considered a nut case by the entire Santa Clarita Valley.
  139. Bill ReynoldsJune 28, 2010 at 12:11 pm
    Yep, you bumped your head… still speaking in tongues, eh scvdaddy. Ha! By the way, Yo-yo… I suggest that you find out the latest from your old pals on the swim team who now consider you a hazard to their cause.
  140. scvdadJune 29, 2010 at 6:40 am
    Again I have no clue what the heck you are saying, my kids had a great time swimming Saturday against the waves, everyone had a great time, I guess you just don’t know what that means.
  141. Swim Team ParentJune 28, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    Bill there have been a number of disagreements between those of us on the swim team. That is normal. The only ones who voted to shut us down were you and Cam Noltemeyer. The only one caught filming our kids in secret from a parked car is Kevin. The three of you we could do without. Everyone else, including SCV dad whoever he is is welcome. The meet this weekend was amazing. The most common topic of conversation was one kind of warped personality would try to shut something like this down. We’re all just very glad you’re gone.
  142. Bill ReynoldsJune 28, 2010 at 3:01 pm
    STP, the reason for disagreement has always been attributed to the entitlement mentality exhibited by the board. Favoritism begets dissension. I understand that filming was done openly in the parking lot immediately adjacent to the swim team sign ups. It’s not like they were crawing around in the bushes as the caller to the Sheriff’s Dept apparently claimed. I realize you guys want to make swim team activities fully acceptable and that certain compromises have been accomplished so you are on the right track… finally. I am proud of my vote against the swim team “contract” in Jan ’09 as it was in clear violation of our governing documents. One easy example of that was the “No Diving” policy which you guys had ignored. At least now, thanks to the Strats, you are no longer allowing children to dive into the shallow end of our pool. It’s never been about closing down the swim team – it’s always been about equity, adequate insurance and abiding by our rules.
  143. Swim Team ParentJune 28, 2010 at 5:06 pm
    I saw the video of Kevin filming our kids, did you? He was parked inside a car, as far away from the registration tent as he could get, and was filming secretly from his car. It was not done openly. The swim team activities have been fully acceptable for more than 20 years. Compromises have occurred over those 20 years. The Summit rules have changed over those 20 years. Only the littleist kids who swim 25 yard events dove into the pool at the shallow end. They couldn’t hit the bottom if they tried. In over 20 years no one ever has. But having them dive from the deep end is fine too. Thank-you for admitting you did vote to shut the swim team down. You sound like someone who believes in that phrase “we had to destroy the village to save it”. You tried to destroy the swim team. In your mind perhaps in order to save it. Thank goodness you failed.
  144. Bill ReynoldsJune 28, 2010 at 6:38 pm
    STP, I voted against the swim team contract because it violated our CC&R’s and Pool Use Rules. I’m glad those swim team officials have sense enough to abolish certain risky activities because you obviously cannot be relied upon to make rational decisions. Thank goodness, you have no power. Remember, we had a devastating earthquake in 1974; lives were lost. 23 years later , another devastating earthquake ocurred resulting in lives loss. Then we had 9/11; more lives abruptly lost. Accidents, man made disaters and acts of God happen all the time. Stuff happens and if you don’t think so, feel free eliminate your auto and home insurance.
  145. DamageincJune 28, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    Douche-meter just spiked… Oh nevermind its just billy.
  146. Swim Team ParentJune 28, 2010 at 7:47 pm
    Over that entire time span of 36 years there have been earthquakes and terrorist attacks. But not one serious injury from the swim team program. A testament to the coaching and parenting and commitment to safety that takes place as part of the swim team. Thank-you for recognizing that. Life is a risky activity. The swim team is very well run and one of the least risky things I see taking place in the Summit. You could get struck by a snake when you walk in Summit Park. I hope that doesn’t keep you from walking in Summit Park. It is a beautiful place. Thank-you for giving up your attempt to end the swim team.
  147. Summit swimmer parentJune 28, 2010 at 8:58 pm
    Here is what I know: 1) The swim meet was a big pain in the butt as we had to keep switching ends so that little 40 lb kids don’t dive/jump in to the 3 1/2 ft end (not even shallow). The meets actually take LONGER now that we have to switch ends so much. I heard no one say, “oh good- I feel so much better about the kids not diving in to the 3 1/2 ft side”. I only heard, “it is such a shame that some people are so mean” and “how can anyone want to get rid of this program” and “I can’t believe you stopped diving in the shallow end because a group of 4 people were threatening to shut you down.” 2) Bill doesn’t have a friend on the swim team so he shouldn’t be talking for us and telling people who we think are buffoons. He wouldn’t know nor would anyone confide in him. 3) There was a wedding being set up in the clubhouse during the meet. The swim team used only the kitchen and allowed the renters to continue with their set-up. See, people can get along and we don’t feel entitled. Everyone was happy and worked together to make both events happen. 4) The kids, families, and leadership on the swim team are amazing and I’m shocked and saddened to hear the nasty untrue rumors being spread about such good people. 5) I feel very very sorry for Bill.
  148. Bill ReynoldsJune 28, 2010 at 9:13 pm
    No need for sympathy Swimmer Parent as I for one am grateful that the Strats called you out on violating California Laws pertaining to diving into shallow pools (no diving under six feet). Study up my man. FYI: I have a number of swim team friends… in fact I had recently had breakfast with one esteemed member and he was surprised to learn a number of facts that had not been revealed by his friends on the board. Judging by your whining about diving it’s no wonder that so many swimmers are passing on swim team activity and seeking professional venues over your little hobby team. Ha!
  149. DamageincJune 29, 2010 at 2:38 am
    I am glad you mentioned the sanctity of California Laws billy, because I am pretty sure you are way over the state regulation for douchiness in one human vessel. Section 202.69 says any state residence with such high levels of douchiness and personal sadness should just end it all by taking 2 lead aspirins to the melon. Please DO us this favor and end the scurge that is Bill Reyolds, we promise to commemorate your legacy with windows movie maker videos with scanned newspapers articles and flashing red comic san type headlines! honest injun! RIP NAFF! 2008-2010
  150. scvtruthsquadJune 29, 2010 at 1:51 pm
    Billy , you have NO friends, especially on swim team PLEASE. Who did you have breakfast with?
  151. Bill ReynoldsJune 28, 2010 at 9:05 pm
    STP, it’s one thing to assume unnecessary risks on your own behalf and it’s quite another to force that risk on your neighbors. The problem here is that you privileged homeowners think you have a right to free entitlements at the expense and risk to others. This is liberalism running out of control and now that the Stratfords have called you on it, you’re whining like babies. The fact is that now your swim team managers have recognized diving into shallow pools violates California law and insurance compaines will not provide coverage. It’s proven that your insurance coverage has been marginal at best and now you are forced to man up. Have a little whine with your cheese!
  152. Swim Team ParentJune 29, 2010 at 6:04 am
    We are homeowners too and have every right to use the pool whenever we want. We are not asking for special privelages when it comes to using the pool. The special privelages that seem to be sought are from Bill and others like him who don’t like the main pool being used by so many families at one time. I have noticed a pattern in Bill’s posts. He loses all the arguments posted publicly, so asks for private meetings. Then he characterizes the private meetings as being an remarkable eye opener for those he met with. However no one he met with ever says the same thing. Each year almost 100 Summit families participate on the swim team and make sure their kids are safe. I think they care more than Bill about their safety. In over 20 years there has not been one serious injury. I agree SSP. Anyone who was at the meet on Saturday would realize the little kids were not safer diving in the deep end than they were diving in the shallow end . It was just a pain in the butt for the timers to have to move ends. We’re just fortunate that we have so many strong leaders in the community that stood up to Cam and Bill and voted to keep the swim team going as it has for over 20 years. Thank-you to those who did that, and thank-you to Bill for resigning and leaving us alone.
  153. scvtruthsquadJune 29, 2010 at 6:45 am
    STP, it’s obvious Bill does not care about facts, he makes up his mind that your cause is evil and tries to make up facts to fit that. Bill, have some balls come out to a swim meet and talk to the parents in person.
  154. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 7:00 am
    Hey moron, I talk to them and many other homeowners which is why I know what is happening in our community. You should get out once in awhile ya little sissie. Ha! Go to work on that colorful flyer and continue ignoring reality…
  155. scvtruthsquadJune 29, 2010 at 7:43 am
    You know nothing, that is why no one respects you and you are the laughing stock of this valley. What flyer are you talking about? I guess you know what its like to be a sissie, since you have no balls, its much easier for you to fit in those nice little pink panties, XOXOXOX
  156. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 6:58 am
    STP, too bad that you are completely out of touch with reality. Your precious swim team has been tremendously under insured since it began and has consistently ignored our very own CC&R’s and California State Law (no diving in less than 6′-0″). To this end, all 1,019 homeowners have been extraordinarily lucky nothing serious has happened yet. How long will our luck hold out – who knows? But one thing is for sure, had the Strats NOT stepped up, your entitlement, privileged, irrational strong leaders would continue placing all of us with unacceptable liabilty. As one board member stated, it’s a risk worth taking. A great many Summit homeowners very much disagree. Now we know the Summit’s new Philadelphia $5 Million insurance policy does not cover swim team activity at all. Plus, the swim team’s own policy had always only covered swim team people and excluded all other homeowners. Thanks to the Strats, this has been corrected and their $2 Million policy was recently upped to $5 Million. Attention Yo-Yo’s, study up, do your homeowork and get your facts straight for a change. Ha! Ahh, life after the HOA is GREAT!
  157. Swim Team ParentJune 29, 2010 at 8:15 am
    Bill you honestly expect us to believe that all the other board members let us be underinsured and only you had the wisdom to see that? That is absurd on its face. The fact that your view is only supported by Cam Noltemeyer, who is a well known gadfly who opposes everything shows how ridiculous that is. I am glad you are enjoying life off the HOA board. my only wish was that you realized that sooner and resigned a year ago. How much happier we all would have been.
  158. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 9:30 am
    Dear STP, it was not entirely my wisdom that uncovered your lack of insurance; it’s been suspected by many homeowners forever and finally proven by the Strats. You have to admit that a number of activities are now banned by the Swim Team; just why would this be necessary, Mr. Absurd on Your Face?
  159. scvtruthsquadJune 29, 2010 at 10:05 am
    You must be so proud that you have banned the little kids from participating in some very dangerous activies, please tell us Billy what are those very dangerous activties ? face painting? maybe eating some watermellons? watching a movie and eating popcorn? Can’t have that…
  160. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 11:30 am
    Truth Trooper, I think you have to pose your dopey questions to your Swim Team Managers as it is they who have banned certain activities. Do you really think I have any sway whatsoever over your mighty swim team managers? Have a nice summer…
  161. scvtruthsquadJune 29, 2010 at 11:38 am
    Ha Ha, love you too Billy
  162. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 12:34 pm
    I completely understand…
  163. Swim Team ParentJune 29, 2010 at 12:45 pm
    Bill you are clearly an arrogant fool. You did the right thing by resigning.
  164. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 1:25 pm
    Oh STP, don’t get your panties all in a wad. Ha!
  165. scvtruthsquadJune 29, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    yes, Billy needs those panties.
  166. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 1:58 pm
    Truth Trooper, uhhh… that’s all you got!? Ha!
  167. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 7:03 am
    Man up Billy boy, if you can.
  168. Just a LurkerJune 29, 2010 at 4:02 pm
    Mr. Reynolds, you still have yet to provide any solid data (that hasn’t been easily refuted) to your claims. Your long winded posts, your arrogant and dismissive responses to legitimate questions posed to you and strange non-sequitors have done nothing but inflame the situation. Let me make this perfectly clear in words you can understand. You have made yourself the fool in this situation. You claim this is a peaceful process? I see a lot of venom and very little community towards you and from you towards the swim team. I have spoken to other communities, other teams, I have done my research on insurance. You are either clueless or a bitter malcontent but you are definitely no martyr for the good of your community.
  169. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    Lurker, what makes you think that I report to a clueless dope such as yourself and that I should answer your silly questions. The fact remains that your mighty swim team managers have banned certain swim team activities and have attempted to up their insurance coverage. Are you gettin’ any of this yet? All this progress towards reducing liabilty to all 1,019 Summit homeowners and I had nothing to do with it… just your little ole swim team and the Strats workin’ together to resolve angst in the community. Oh, happy days are here again. Have a nice summer…
  170. Summit swimmer parentJune 29, 2010 at 5:53 pm
    Let’s be very clear… the swim team managers cut activities because the Stratfords’ attorney spent so much time on the phone questioning the underwriter that the underwriter made the decision to stop covering the events. Bottom line. They did not cut activities because they had not previously been covered- they cut them because your friends’ harrassment caused the coverage to be cancelled. I wouldn’t be too proud of your efforts as they were not needed and just plain mean. You have never been concerned about coverage- only that you get revenge on whoever it was in 94 that made the decision to put in a fancy pool (which by the way is the reason we fell in love with the Summit- it certainly isn’t the mostly outdated homes that are too small for most families.) Why don’t you turn your focus to other issues- like the punks who sneak in to the pool with alcohol and do backflips from the side of the pool? Or the 1 homeowner who invites 12 of his friends to play tennis every single morning and occupies both sets of courts? Or how about something far greater like the oil spill? And by the way, I’m sorry, but if you picked that color for the steps of the main pool, you have successfully turned it in to a Lockheed hangar with the most industrial look possible. And the former board member you had breakfast with- his recollection of your breakfast is far different than you are reporting. This bantering from you is a complete waste of time. I would suggest we all stop giving him anything to discuss- maybe he’ll just go away.
  171. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 8:50 pm
    Just so you know, Swimmer… I did not pick those colors & the board provided final approval. Having said that, I really wish that our board would push for decent maintenance to preserve the beauty of our new deck. Maybe you have some influence? If your swim team had adequate insurance coverage, why suddenly all the banned activities? Your logic fails the reasonable test, Mrs Swimmer Parent. But you are correct, I was not concerned about coverage, as I assumed only idiots would not have proper insurance. Silly me. My issues, as stated at our Jan ’09 board meeting had everything to do with contradictions with the swim team contract Vs our governing documents. Then, as it turns out, diving into shallow pools violates California Law. By the way, we already had a fancy pool – we did not need to spend all of our HOA funds to construct a competitive swimming pool. Now, we’re all stuck with costly ongoing maintenance on this pool that we should not have. Building out that waveless, contilevered decked pool was absolutely ridiculous! Just so you know, I did not make this a public issue but I will have the last word. So bring it on… Have a nice summer…
  172. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 7:07 am
    I think the more you post stuff and let Billy respond the more he looks like a total fool, he has baseless accusations, no facts to back up any of his claims, no credibility and no support. He is just an old angry man, that saw the writting on the wall and resigned. Back to the undergound bunker Billy.
  173. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 7:08 am
    Billy thinks every question is silly if he does not have an answer.
  174. Swim Team ParentJune 29, 2010 at 8:56 pm
    Tell us about the magnificent horse again Bill.
  175. Bill ReynoldsJune 29, 2010 at 9:53 pm
    Beware the Magnificent Horse! It will come for your money.
  176. Swim Team ParentJune 30, 2010 at 5:43 am
    Thank-you. Now tell us again how for fifteen years the board let the Summit facilities go to pot and how for twenty years the swim team was underinsured and how this was all fixed when you got on the board.
  177. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 7:15 am
    STP, the insurance problem was still there when I resigned, however our rec ctrs were renovated during my time on the board. Ask Jose.
  178. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 7:31 am
    Billy, the savior of the Summit. In search of Justice, Truth and the Amnerican Way. He is here to show us the light and his stupid videos.
  179. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 7:36 am
    Go back to work, silly man….
  180. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 8:32 am
    I don’t work, I am disabled.
  181. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 5:48 am
    Bill, where in the California law does it states its illegal to dive in a shallow pool? please give us the code? Also As I have heard, the insurance company paid for the repair and upgrade of your pool after the earthquake, you guys had to pay for the deductible like we all had to, so what is the problem here. Insurance companies also paid for code upgrades on my house, so I am sure it was the same for the pool. You guys have a fantastic pool so stop complaining. Also please detail how the swim team contract is in violation of your CCR’s, you have said that several times but have not been able to back it up, maybe if you can do those things you will have some credibility. Others on here have backed up their claims, but not you.
  182. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 7:35 am
    Truth Trooper – here it is again: California Code of Regulations 3101B. After the main pool was rebuilt to the new competitive pool specifications our HOA was broke (I have the documents). Yes we have a great pool, but here’s the problem… that cantilever deck will always cause additional maintenance costs. we just spent $62K (I have the documents) because pool deck maintenance never occurred since the pool was rebuilt. All of our rec ctrs received minimal maintenance during the previous at least 15 years (I have photos to back this up). Since Jan ’09, I have stated it’s my opinion that swim team activities violate Artcle XII – Section 1 – Member’s Right of Enjoyment. This opinion has been disputed here and I suspect that you will do so as well. What you have to say here is about as meaningless as any of my comments and my credibility, and yours, on this subject is completely irrelevant because any remaining issues are being handled by others – not you and certainly not me. Have a nice summer…
  183. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 8:31 am
    Billy, I did check that code, it says you only need to to have sign that says no diving. It does not say you can not dive. In fact if you read further there is a code about diving boards and how to place them. Bill it also says that no one under 14 is allowed in the spa without adult supervision and elderly people need to consult a physican before they enter the spa.. do you guys enforce that, do you have someone there all the time? I checked with the LA County Health Department and they said diving is allowed in a publioc pool when it is for training or a competive swim event, it is done all the time in city and county pools. And your HOA was broke after the earthquake because they JUST HAD AN EARTHQUAKE.. duhhhhhhh. You have a great pool stop the whinning, for God’s sake Bill get a life
  184. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 8:58 am
    Sorry about your disability. Then, why would a Calif Code require no diving signs… hmmmm? Dig a little deeper (3120B.6) if you want the truth, Truth Trooper. News Alert, Truth Trooper, thankfully I’m no longer on the board so I don’t enforce anything. Helloooo… Why would our accounts get zeroed out when we had earthquake insurance? Duh!? They spent all of our money on unnecessary main pool upgrades which have caused additional costly maintenance. Wake up and smell the coffee!
  185. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 9:16 am
    Billy, you are dillusional, please get some help. There are lots of great mental care experts in our Valley. You need help. Billy, you guys never had to pay an assesment after the earthquake, we had to pay over $ 20,000 in our HOA to cover repairs after the earthquake, you need to thank those people that did not do an assement on you guys not villify them, they had insurance and did not do an assement, what else do you want, and you ended up with a great pool how petty of you.
  186. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 10:11 am
    I need help!? You’re the one still asking the same ole tired questions and complaining and whining here. You’re irritated that your team banned “really important” activities and had to actually acquire bonafide insurance coverage. Get a grip, Truth Trooper… Ha!
  187. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 10:29 am
    Bill, it’s not my team , I don’t even live there, I have friends that live there and have been up to the wonderful pool. It’s hillarious how you are so hated up in the Summit and all over the SCV. FYI (3120B.6) is about pool ventilation nice try Billy. Sec. 3120B (formerly 2-9026) Indoor Pool Ventilation, A pool located indoors shall be ventilated according to acceptable engineering principles. NOTE: See Section 1202.2 for ventilation requirements for dressing and toilet rooms.
  188. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 11:28 am
    By the way Truth Trooper, as you further investgate regulations that ban diving into shallow pools, you might also ask the City why they do not allow it at their pool facilities. http://www.santa-clarita.com/Index.aspx?page=470
  189. scvtruthsquadJune 30, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    Billy, have you ever been to the Aquatic Center when they have meets (high school, clubs, city), they all dive in from blocks which are about 2 feet above ground level, they have many programs that have competitions/practices for kids as young as 5 years old. There is no way to have a swim competiton without diving into the water, call the aquatic center Billy and chek it out.
  190. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 1:10 pm
    No diving in the shallow end. They have rules posted…
  191. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    And by the way Truther, that’s where actual swimming competition is conducted… not your little day-sitting hobby get-together.
  192. Just a LurkerJuly 1, 2010 at 4:13 am
    You don’t have any idea about pool behavior and the reasons for such a rule – shallow end diving to the public at public pool is rational because there is no way to gauge if someone knows how to shallow dive that walks in on the street. You are the type that would worry a lifeguard, not the swim team kids. Swim teams train their kids but of course you who have never set foot at a meet know better.
  193. scvtruthsquadJuly 1, 2010 at 7:36 am
    Bil is not concerned with reality, he lives in his own reality, one where you must obey Bill’s rules and regulations or you are a communist sympatizer or worst a liberal.
  194. Just a LurkerJuly 1, 2010 at 8:22 am
    Yeah it didn’t take me long to also get to that assumption based purely on his poor comprehension and critical reasoning skills.
  195. Bill ReynoldsJune 30, 2010 at 11:01 am
    You don’t even live here, eh… talk about hilarious! Ha! Stop and actually think for a minute, do you actually believe that I care the least little bit what other people who disagree with my opinions think about me? Wise up buddy! I know who my friends are and the rest of you can take a hike. Since you can’t immediately lay your hands on the California Code that disallows diving into shallow pools, why don’t you encourage your pals on the swim team to have those pesky “NO DIVING” signs removed? Good Luck!
  196. Swim Team ParentJune 30, 2010 at 5:18 pm
    Thank you Bill. Now tell how over 20 years hundreds of parents subjected their children to the extreme risk of being part of the swim team, swimming for hours in the pool, diving in the shallow end and playing water polo. How this was allowed to continue until January of 2009 when one brave man stood up and said “enough”. I will not allow this continue. One man made even braver because he had never participated in the swim team. One man alone against hundreds of parents willing to risk the lives of their children. Tell us that story Bill.

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