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On Labor Day, word of a possible Santa Clarita Transit strike

A general transit strike affecting thousands of  Santa Clarita Transit riders is possible this month as MV Transportation, the City’s transit operator,  tries to hammer out a new, leaner contract with its union-represented employees, SCVTalk has learned.

Over the last few weeks, word of a possible strike by MV Transportation bus operators has been passed around in emails by concerned bus riders and talk of the strike has steadily increased here on SCVTalk.

At issue, according to one of the emails: MV Transportation, which won the contract to operate Santa Clarita Transit 3 years ago, is losing millions of dollars on its contract with the City and has asked its “operators” to take a pay cut as a result. The email says the contract between MV and its operators expired on August 4th and has been extended for one month.

“MV has been the contractor for Santa Clarita Transit for the past three years.  MV’s contract allows the city to extend the contract year-by-year until 2018 at the city’s discretion. ” the anonymous email says. “MV can choose to terminate the contract, but will have to pay a substantial sum for breaking the contract (reportedly $2,000,000) and also share in any costs the city incurs as a part of replacing MV with another contractor,” the email continues.

The Fairfield California-based transit company reported revenues of $706 million in 2009 and employs some 12,880 people, according to its website. A promotional video on the site says the company was founded in part by a former bus driver.

The email suggests that MV has been losing up to $2.5 million on its contract with the City of Santa Clarita per year, even as the City of Santa Clarita has modified its routes, cutting some and expanding service elsewhere.

“MV has allegedly been losing approximately $2.5M per year on the Santa Clarita Transit operation. Since MV won the bid, there have been changes in the transit department at the city, fuel prices have become more volatile, the economy has undergone considerable changes, and bus lines and runs have been added (757, runs on 797) and removed (Line 8, Line 747, Line 798),” the email says.

For those reasons, MV is reportedly asking its operators and employees to take a 15% pay cut, a reduction in guaranteed hours from 40 to 35 and to pay a greater share of their employee benefits.

The email, which appears to have been written by a concerned bus rider, goes on to say that the bus operators are asking riders to pressure the City Council into renegotiating its contract with MV Transportation.

I asked City Communications officer Gail Ortiz to comment on the anonymous email and she said that the parts of the email addressing the City’s contract with MV (as opposed to MV’s Contract with its operators), was “pretty darn accurate.”

She said the employee’s union and MV are negotiating in good faith and that the City of Santa Clarita is not a party to the negotiations or the contract. She did confirm, however, that MV is losing money on its contract with the City.

“I’m not comfortable commenting on how much they are losing. They have told us they are losing money on the contract,” she told me.

Ortiz said that, “Obviously we want to see them avoid a strike.” She said she doesn’t know if a strike is imminent, but she noted that if there is a strike, it will affect all aspects of the City’s transit service from local bus routes in the SCV to the commuter services that take Santa Claritans to work all over Los Angeles County to the Dial-a-Ride service, which is used by seniors and others in the community.

An average of 15,000 one-way trips are made on Santa Clarita Transit every day, according to Ortiz.

“If MV and the operators do not come to a satisfactory agreement, the operators will likely go out on strike.  This could happen as early as September 3rd.  The last time the operators struck was in September 2001.  This continued for approximately 1 month and caused considerable disruption in the lives of many Santa Clarita residents, some of whom do not have alternative ways to get to work or school or to pursue daily living activities,” the email concludes.

Keep an eye on SCVTalk for more on this developing story.

On Labor Day, word of a possible Santa Clarita Transit strike

Comments (68)

  1. sterlingkingSeptember 6, 2010 at 8:48 am
    A strike would be great, maybe we can save a few bucks in the process. Perhaps we should get rid of half the buses anyway being that they’re empty most of the time. Can’t believe we pay out the nose for that.
  2. ThomasSeptember 6, 2010 at 2:28 pm
    Ditto!!!!! Plus, for the few stops they make, they won’t be blocking traffic.
  3. rosieraySeptember 6, 2010 at 9:36 am
    hey SK, what are you basing your criteria on 1. Commuter buses are packed in the am, that’s how people are getting to work, helping traffic flow on the freeways etc etc 2. How do you think the kids are getting to school, would you like to pick them all up and take them in the morning. Get your facts straight before you make a comment. Commuter/Local ridership is way up over the past few years, we are a growing community and need public transportation. BTW, everyone is subsidized in some way
  4. ThomasSeptember 6, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    My kids get to school by my taking them. Getting rid of the school routes would be great. That way, I don’t have 6 buses in the morning and 6 buses in the afternoon coming down my street that are only carrying a handful of students. Yes, I am the first stop on the route so they are empty as SK said.
  5. rosieraySeptember 6, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    and what about the kids whose parents can’t take them (perhaps the parents are on the commuter bus and have to leave early). All of the transit buses have different routes, I don’t know how you could have so many runs dedicated to your street. Oh and just for the record, I am told that the kids that do take the bus are rude, crude and destructive. All kinds of “things” go on by the little darlings, all denied by the parents until shown the video, and than the parents are in shock
  6. ThomasSeptember 7, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Theirs bikes, their feet (called walking). I have 6 buses come down my street because that’s what the transit department feels they can do. All to avoid a left turn light 1/4 mile down the street.
  7. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:56 am
    …”everyone is subsidized in some way”. This mentality is killin’ America’s economy and it’s unsustainable. I say privatize SCV’s public transportation and reduce buses. I agree SK.
  8. rosieraySeptember 6, 2010 at 11:14 am
    actually, SCTransit is privatized, MV transit is a contractor
  9. DamageincSeptember 7, 2010 at 7:45 am
    I agree Bill. Some people are subsidize by cush government jobs which they then sue so they can purchases houses they neither earned or deserved. What should we do to those people?
  10. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 7, 2010 at 5:55 pm
    Get your facts straight, moron! Ha!
  11. DamageincSeptember 8, 2010 at 4:55 pm
    Fact – Bill Reynolds = NAFF
  12. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 8, 2010 at 5:24 pm
    That’s it Dame Genie, change the subject when you got nothing, ya moron! Ha!
  13. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 6, 2010 at 12:19 pm
    Thanks Rosie… they should dump the union.
  14. DamageincSeptember 7, 2010 at 3:37 pm
    What is in it for them? What is the different between a unions and the tea party? Well, aside from unions not mispelling their signs?
  15. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 7, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    Study up, moron! Ha!
  16. ScvFanSeptember 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm
    Oh the horrors! Oh how tragic!! The bus drivers are being asked to get paid for only the hours they work?? Did I read that sentence correctly? They currently are GUARANTEED 40 hours paid? Even if they don’t work 40? The company is asking them to change that to 35? Good heavens, have freaking mercy. They shouldn’t be paid for a second more than they work. I’m with Bill. Dump that greedy union.
  17. ThomasSeptember 6, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    Maybe we should have Walmart and Sprouts take over the buses. That way the labor will be cheap and we don’t have to worry about a strike.
  18. Timothy MyersSeptember 6, 2010 at 3:06 pm
    Jeff: Great that we could bring out all the union bashers on a Labor Day! Want to talk about tort reform Bill?
  19. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 6, 2010 at 4:03 pm
    Sure… but you certainly have to admit that bloated state pensions for union people are killin’ Calyphonia’s economy. If you don’t get that then fageddaboudit!
  20. JeffSeptember 6, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    pwned! Lots of people make their living in the defense-industrial complex (the Federal government’s largest jobs program) but they have no qualms about throwing barbs at other people who work in the public sector. Do we know anyone like that?
  21. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 6, 2010 at 6:27 pm
    I happen to know many folks who work in the defense industry and they are very proud to have the opportunity to contribute to our country’s military and protection of our freedom.
  22. gregSeptember 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm
    Could Santa Clarita get rid of some buses/routes/operating hours that aren’t very productive and only provide service where its busy. Sure. But I think there is a balance between productivity and service coverage. People’s schedules dont revolve around an 8 to 5 schedule and some transit needs fall in non-traditional hours. Santa Clarita is spread out and not compact and makes it nearly impossible to walk to school, work, etc.. For Thomas: Institute of Traffic Engineers organization say up to 30% of morning traffic is school traffic. Many residential roads become congested because of parents taking their kids to school. If more took the bus, it might not be so bad. I dont see our transit system being a waste. The current budget has the City paying $8.2 million for local bus services (not including commuter and Dial a Ride). I believe local ridership is about 3.8 million. That equates to $2.15 a trip. Normal fare is $1, so on average the city subsidizes about $1.15 a trip. Plus, it could be lower but the City decided not to charge seniors and disabled to ride local buses. I also think about it this way. If you took your car, does the cost of that trip equal less than $2.15 once you add mileage, maintanence, insurance? The IRS reimbursement rate is about 50 cents if you use your own car for business. That means if one travels 4 miles on the bus, its probably cheaper than operating a car. Also, taking the bus makes for less wear and tear on the roads and for less congestion. Is it for everyone? no. Is it a waste of taxpayers money? I dont think so
  23. SterlingSeptember 6, 2010 at 5:31 pm
    Wow, rosieray is just a start to the complaining we’re going to hear when the repubs take over in December and teaches the entitlement crowd that the free lunch is over. And no, I’m not subsidized a penny by anyone.
  24. JeffSeptember 6, 2010 at 5:47 pm
    “And no, I’m not subsidized a penny by anyone.” Do you have your own water well Sterling? Because if you don’t, every time you flush the toilet, you’re using state-subsidized water supplies courtesy of the 60s/70s era big government-esque California Water Project, which redistributes resources from the northern part of the state to the Southern. OMG where is that in the US Constitution? cries out the Tea Party Did you ever get a college loan? The Pell grant and DOE loans are subsidized by the federal government. I for one am thankful for the low-interest loans they provided me that made me the first person to graduate a four year college in my family. Ever taken Metrolink? It’s fast, convenient and pretty cheap, and it happens to be subsidized by many local governments across Southern California. I know, I know, you’re probably too cool too much of a rugged individualist to travel in such a communal way. Therefore, I wonder if you’ve ever driven on Interstate 5? It wasn’t the private sector that built that; rather it was the federal government. Just think about that- they took money from people and built something for the public good. Living the unsubsidized life in Southern California is pretty tough I reckon. Tell us all how you do it.
  25. Street KnowledgeSeptember 7, 2010 at 6:35 am
    Ha! You made the mistake of assuming Sterling went to college!
  26. SterlingSeptember 6, 2010 at 6:21 pm
    Thank u jeff for pointing out those great points. Thanks for the reminder to never take the metrolink, I-5, or use my toilet again. The last I remember, I payed for that highway and my water bill for a direct service. It’s called hard earned taxes. For empty buses that race around our streets when we could have more streets fixed or new land for some parks? I don’t like my. Taxes being flushed down the toilet like that.
  27. JeffSeptember 6, 2010 at 7:09 pm
    Not surprised you missed the point. I pay for transit service too. And I use it. And you would pay much much more for water if it wasn’t being subsidized by the state of California.
  28. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:26 pm
    And here we all thought you were saving the planet bicyling everywhere, but no you use disel guzzling empty buses. Ha!
  29. DamageincSeptember 7, 2010 at 2:26 pm
    Hey Bonnie, You should get your fat ass on a bike you could use the excercise and give the Barbie Hummer a break. Also the Buses aren’t empty and they typically run on natural gas. So to quote you from every other lazy ass post… You are an Idiot, HA!
  30. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 7, 2010 at 5:54 pm
    Look who’s talkin’, asshole. Ha!
  31. rosieraySeptember 6, 2010 at 6:21 pm
    and btw, many of the commuters who take the bus 1. do not or can’t drive 2. do not have cars 3. are seniors but can’t live on social security However, commuters also are professionals and all are hardworking individuals so, if they can’t get to work, should they just what go on unemployment until it runs out and than what, roam the streets. Get real. taking the bus adds extra hours to your work day, its called commuting – normal day for commuter is 12 hrs long, the schedule is not always to your liking, but you do what you have to do. All you who critical of the buses, tell me what you have done for the community lately.
  32. sterlingkingSeptember 6, 2010 at 8:02 pm
    payed my taxes!! If you don’t know the rest then you should pay closer attention.
  33. sterlingkingSeptember 6, 2010 at 8:03 pm
    Ooops, I paid my taxes rather:) Its been a long day.
  34. NickelDimeSeptember 6, 2010 at 8:39 pm
    sterling: A strike would be great, maybe we can save a few bucks in the process. Perhaps we should get rid of half the buses anyway being that they’re empty most of the time. Can’t believe we pay out the nose for that. By that logic, we should rid ourselves of our trails, public parks, Aquatic Center, the skate park, Mentryville and our libraries. Can’t believe the ignorance you are spewing.
  35. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    You are an idiot!
  36. DamageincSeptember 7, 2010 at 2:23 pm
    Nice response douche….
  37. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 7, 2010 at 5:52 pm
    Back atcha moron! Ha!
  38. DamageincSeptember 8, 2010 at 4:58 pm
    This little blog owns you…
  39. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 8, 2010 at 5:22 pm
    Look who’s talkin’! Ya idiot! Ha!
  40. SterlingSeptember 6, 2010 at 8:56 pm
    Are u calling me ignorant? Who are you behind your Handel nickeldime? It’s sure is easy to call people things when you can’t stand up like a man and tell us who u are. Just so u know, calling someone ignorant, coupled with a real name and a argument that has marit gives you some interest to me. You have none at this time. We still pay out the nose for buses and they are still mostly empty. Those are facts that ignorant people want to ignore. Are u ignorant ND??
  41. NickelDimeSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:07 pm
    Your statement is ignorant, yes Sterling. You still didn’t respond to my question. Many of the services provided by the City aren’t utilized to capacity. Does that mean we should scale them back or close them? I’ve put my personal details up any number of times. Stick around and pay attention.
  42. gregSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    Sterling, I dont know if you have kids or not, but if they ever participated in a parks and recreation program or sports program by the City, it has been subsidized. Non-residents pay the full cost for many of these programs while residents do not pay the full cost of using the program. You may say you pay your taxes, but in reality, the money you pay in taxes, I highly doubt covers all of the services and infrastructure you use. You also mentioned that you would like to see empty buses removed and use the money for fixing roads and new land for parks. The reality is that the City recieves State and Federal funds which restrict the use to only transit uses. So if the City didnt use the money for transit use, it could not then use those funds for other uses. Again, a balance between productivity and service coverage needs to be achieved with transit. I could say the same for roads. Roads are essentially empty between midnight and 5 am. Why are we wasting money when no one is using them (i.e., power for street lights, power for signals, police patrolling areas). If you honestly believe that you pay your full cost on everything and are not subsidized by a penny , you are delusional.
  43. SterlingSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:21 pm
    It is a good article though jeff. Thanks for posting it. I look forward to hearing how it shapes up. From what I gather, gas and fewer routs are the root cause of the financial losses? You mention the letter said “considerable economic changes have taken place”. Other then the above mentioned gas & rout issues, what others are there other then low ridership?
  44. gregSeptember 6, 2010 at 10:14 pm
    If my memory serves me right, I think the City pays for the gasoline/cng. I think the biggest impact would be reduction in service hours since that is what the contract is mainly based on. However, I dont think that’s occurred. I know the City has eliminated some commuter routes but that was reallocated to the North Hollywood route. I think the service level has essentially remained the same. I think the real issue is that MV did not do a good job in estimating their costs when they bid to take over the transit operations or artifically bid low to get the City’s business. Since MV does not have control over service times or route structure (City does), they’re trying to reduce their losses by cutting driver pay and benefits.
  45. rosieraySeptember 7, 2010 at 4:00 am
    you are correct Greg on MV and the bid Also, the elimination of Route#8 and Van Nuys had a major impact on many, and the NO HO run was not a fix for it. If the strike does happen, it will hurt many who depend 100% on it for transportation to work etc.
  46. SCVFanSeptember 7, 2010 at 10:26 am
    I attended the public hearings about Route 8 and the transit department showed us riders the ridership numbers. Route 8 was poorly used and totally inefficient. It wasn’t effective and a waste of money! And seriously…it was cancelled over a year ago right? Get over it. And since you seem to have all this information…what is your thoughts on the guaranteed work hours? Do you honestly think in this horrific economy anyone can demand to be paid for hours they do not work?
  47. rosieraySeptember 7, 2010 at 1:06 pm
    there is more to the demise of Rte#8 and Van Nuys than you know. It was a political move, but we won’t get into that. I also attended those meetings, the whole change was based on a survey that was posted. I also remember them taking that survey, but that also is another issue. Believe me, some of us were very involved with the changes I do not agree with everything such as the guaranteed work hours, I believe it was initiated to keep the quality drivers It does cost money to train the drivers.
  48. rosieraySeptember 7, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    oh and further to this Route 8 was eliminated because the federal funding ran out, it had a high ridership. Now the people that live in Sylmar, have to go to NO HO to come back up to SC, and the disabled that rode to Olive View, VA have to go to NO HO and catch a MTA back up to their stops, where is the effeciency in that
  49. SCVFanSeptember 7, 2010 at 4:00 pm
    Pardon my sarcasm…but we are discussing Santa Clarita Transit, correct? Not Sylmar Transit? So the “people that live in Sylmar” shouldn’t be the city of Santa Clarita’s primary concern.
  50. gregSeptember 7, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    SCVFan, Many people who live in the San Fernando Valley work in Santa Clarita. I think Santa Clarita has a vested interest to make sure those people are able to get to/from work. Otherwise businesses in Santa Clarita would have issues with people getting to/from work, less dependability from their workers. Rosieray is right. Route 8 did not have low ridership. The route was funded by a federal grant that ended. From what I heard, North Hollywood 757 has about the same productivity as ROute 8. Which service is better? I’m not sure since I don’t ride either. I’m sure 757 is more convienient for some and Route 8 was more convienient for others. But to say Santa Clarita shouldnt be concerned for people who work in the City is not right. I could say the same for those who work Downtown LA. Why are we providing a service shuttling people out of the City?
  51. SCVFanSeptember 7, 2010 at 8:13 pm
    Greg: Re-read my post again slowly. Maybe more carefully this time? I said Sylmar folks shouldn’t be the City of Santa Clarita’s PRIMARY concern. In the larger scheme of things…even you would admit…they shouldn’t be. The connections and options for riders, yada yada are important. But…why don’t you look into the actual numbers. You’ve heard one thing…and I’ve heard another. I’ve heard noho is significantly more productive. Do your research…I’ve done mine.
  52. rosieraySeptember 7, 2010 at 8:28 pm
    And you do know that since they initiated NOHO they have cut out some of the runs, and some of the runs during the day are empty.
  53. gregSeptember 7, 2010 at 8:30 pm
    I would agree that it shouldnt be a primary focus but I think its a segment the City should provide service to. I’ve done a public records request for ridership numbers for Route 8 and Route 757 a few months after it started. Numbers were practically the same. I’ve done my research too. If you read my post more carefully, I wasnt advocating a particular route. I was just trying to clarify the main reason Route 8 was cancelled and that was due to federal funds running out and not low ridership. Please ask city transit staff which they will say the same as they confirmed this with me.
  54. SCVFanSeptember 8, 2010 at 10:57 am
    you did a public records request right when the route started? sounds like solid detective work. Why not check again?
  55. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    “The reality is that the City recieves State and Federal funds”… Greg, Greg, Greg… It just so happens that those “funds” are our tax dollars, not Obama’s stash! Have you noticed our horrendous national debt and/or Caplypohonia’s huge budget deficit!? And now, Prez B. Hussein (in desperation mode) is proposing another ridiculous stimulus program! Bring on Nov 2nd!
  56. ToddSeptember 6, 2010 at 10:48 pm
    Transit funds come from gas taxes. So if you don’t want to subsidize public transportation… stop buying gasoline and take the bus! That’ll show them!!!!
  57. SterlingSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:48 pm
    Greg, you’re a good man. Thank you for good information. I respect that. As for NDime, yes, scale back is a great idea. Like it or not. Some things in life are real simple I don’t know who you’re arguing for besides yourself. I’ve been around here years. The difference is I have a life outside of the www and scvtalk (as much as I respect jeff and also Tim who contributes) and don’t trifle with every squabble and tit for tat that goes on in here. I think you’ve nickel & dime’d yourself into an addiction to commenting on blogs. Either start your own with your opinios or get out ant get some sunshine.
  58. SterlingSeptember 6, 2010 at 9:53 pm
    Forgot to mention to Greg as bill did so well, yes those funds are our payed taxes. Thanks bill
  59. CCSeptember 6, 2010 at 10:16 pm
    If people don’t want city buses to be available to jr high/hs kids (whether they’re obnoxious or not), then we have to figure out a way for the districts to fund busing. My son goes to jr. high next year. His dad and I can get him to school, but there’s no way we can pick him up by 2pm because like many people, we work. It’s too far to walk or drive, so he’ll have to take a bus. How else do you all expect kids too young to drive to get to/from school? We can’t all afford to have a stay-at-home parent, and most people’s jobs aren’t that flexible.
  60. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 7, 2010 at 6:00 am
    Have your boy “drive” his two feet home like all kids used to do…
  61. WalkerSeptember 7, 2010 at 6:03 pm
    Um, many kids are zoned for schools that are miles and miles away from their home. Even in the olden days, they stuck those kids on a bus. Around here, we expect that they’ll use the city bus system. You can’t possibly be suggesting that they should be walking 5-10 miles each way to school. It’s an unreasonable suggestion for anyone, let alone 11/12YO Jr High students.
  62. SterlingSeptember 7, 2010 at 7:12 am
    Hey street, sorry to disappoint. Proud to say my average was better then your buddy Al Gore. of course he was bussy inventing the Internet and taking the worlds temperature so I guess he gets a pass.
  63. Street KnowledgeSeptember 7, 2010 at 7:18 am
    Which college, and who did you pay to write your papers?
  64. SterlingSeptember 7, 2010 at 8:41 am
    Bill Clinton
  65. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 7, 2010 at 8:46 pm
    Good one, Sterling…
  66. SCVFanSeptember 7, 2010 at 10:33 am
    Jeff: Since most of the arguments are based around the assumption that service cuts affected MV’s bottom line shouldn’t you investigate? This rationale doesn’t make any sense but why not look into it? Why not compare the elimintation of route 8 and starting the noho? This would be an interesting follow up since that argument seems to be the basis.
  67. Ryan KingSeptember 7, 2010 at 3:14 pm
    Good public transit is just like good schools and other government services. It improves quality of life for the community. And Santa Clarita Transit does a pretty good job with what they do. It’s just a shame more people don’t utilize it.
  68. Bill ReynoldsSeptember 13, 2010 at 9:32 pm
    Yeah, that’s the problem… too much overhead wasted on little usage.

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