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Library Focus Group reviews

The City’s library committee/focus group met last night. No news stories as of this morning, but you can count on SCVTalk readers to post some reviews:

Well, besides all of the preaching (by Dubberly and Pulskamp, mainly) and admonishings that “the decision has been made,” plus the numerous typographical errors (double pages, missing pages, references to another library, instead of our own), precious little work was done (30 minute brainstorming on what SCV will look like in 10 years), the most scant of information was gathered, and the committee members were not given any work to do before the next meeting.

Furthermore, one committee member asked if/how she should gather public input, and Dubberly told her that was not necessary — that this committee was chosen for their unique views, and it was intended that committee members only present their own opinions.

So, then, another committee member asks, “but what about the community surveys (et al) that the City told us we would gather?”

To which Dubberly replied….wait for it…, “the focus groups will be by invitation.”

Yup. Library Committee members are to represent themselves and their own opinions (and, I guess, by extension, whatever “community” the City Council thinks they represent), and focus groups will be by invitation only.

A positive review from Berta:

The purpose of tonight’s meeting was for the committee to meet the team, hear the strategic plan process overview, and participate in the vision-setting exercise designed to help define the ideal future and vision for Santa Clarita. This exercise will help define service priorities for our Santa Clarita Library System.

Mr. Dubberly made it very clear there would be community surveys circulated for everyone interested to provide input. After it is clear what the PRIORITIES of this community are for library services, focus groups interested in particular elements will be formed to work on those elements i.e. parents of home schooled students, senior citizens, high school students, non proficient English speakers, etc.

I thought it was productive for a first effort of such a large and diverse group and look forward to working with the other committee members in 2011.

Even if the City was right about “cracks forming” in the COLA System, I still can’t bring myself to support the City since the takeover process has stunk since the beginning. If the City were truly interested in the public’s opinion on how our library system should be run, they would have put this committee/focus group together back in June or July, prior to the decision being made. If they cared, they might have delayed the decision until the cracks actually formed, then rode in on a white horse and rescued us from the County. But they didn’t care; they had their plan and went with it, despite massive opposition. And now they want to hear from us.

Nevertheless I’m sure they’ll get some good information from the members of the committee.

A year from now, the committee’s work finished, we’ll have three libraries run by private LSSI employees. The lazy & shiftless library employees we have now will be gone. Overseeing the system will likely be the City’s library ad-hoc committee composed of a few Councilmembers. The libraries themselves may not look any different but there will be (as another reader pointed out) “revenue-generating” spaces inside the libraries for LSSI to turn some extra profit out of the deal. And when April 2012 finally comes around, nothing will change because the releection of incumbents is virtually guaranteed in this town.

So yeah- in effect the City has pulled off this coup perfectly, with only a few minor glitches, and now they’ll get to say they talked to the public about the whole thing. Good government is alive and well in the SCV!

Library Focus Group reviews

Comments (65)

  1. Samuel AdamsDecember 10, 2010 at 9:25 am
    It is all about power Jeff. It is that simple and scary.
  2. Saugus SplasherDecember 10, 2010 at 9:55 am
    Boooo-hoooo-hoooo. Grown a pair.
  3. JenniDecember 10, 2010 at 10:26 am
    Saugus Splasher–perhaps you should brush up on your language skills before you voice your opinion…just a thought.
  4. Library Card Carrying BookreaderDecember 10, 2010 at 10:33 am
    Last night it was the gullible and easily lead applauding themselves for following instructions and coming up with ideas such as: The community should have programs that help seniors continue to live productive and fulfilling lives by having better access, (possibly through better senior transportation services) to the library. Or… The community should provide an educational environment so that the children who grow up in Santa Clarita could be qualified to earn a living wage. Last night’s work product was to produce a list of very human attitudes that this community could embrace if this community is composed of idealistic and utopian minded humans. Applause came when the committee appointees realized that they shared a common humanity. Dubberly is a master at controlling a group, its “work product”, and its “process”. His job of course, since he is an employee of LSSI, (a fact not mentioned when his credentials were boasted), is to perform a process that makes the community feel good about accepting whittled down library services. Also his task is to convince the committee that we can’t have everything—meaning of course, that we can’t have as much as we had before—because the decision has already been made. If LSSI were to provide us with all the services COLA now provides, there would be no profit to be made, only a giant loss, and the price to the City would be impossible to pay.
  5. Lori RivasDecember 10, 2010 at 10:44 am
    Here is my question: So all of those 10-year plan/dreams from last night — are those now written in stone, so to speak, and to be the basis for all future library plans? If so, that is really scary. Imagine throwing a bunch of strangers together, giving them a new task, and then allowing a scant 30 minutes to brainstorm ideas, and have those ideas set the pace for a library program to serve a community for generations. No time for reflection. No time for refinement. No time to seek outside opinion. Not even time to brainstorm beyond the pleasantries of “we want a bright and shiny utopia.” It was all so very shallow. And here is my second question — did anyone get the title of the book Dubberly said this whole plan is based upon? That was a fairly substantial book, and I would wager that the first “step” in the book does not equate to a 90 minute lecture and a 30 minute brainstorming session. I’d like to read that book myself.
  6. Saugus SplasherDecember 10, 2010 at 11:05 am
    Look at Lori, she’s an expert on everything. She should read Moby-Dick first. It will help her realize this issue has become her white whale.
  7. Lori RivasDecember 10, 2010 at 11:16 am
    Alright. I take that back. I am sorry. It is so difficult to refrain from responding to such character slander. I do regret posting that. Wish that I could delete it myself.
  8. Saugus SplasherDecember 10, 2010 at 11:31 am
    No, you can’t take that back, Lori. That was fair game. I inadvertantly set it up and you spiked it on me. There are no takebacks in verbal beach volleyball! Anyway, why don’t you let the process culminate before you file it away as a sham? It sounds like you were ready to classify it as a failure before it started, even though you might not understand how it’s supposed to work. This will put you in the category of gadflies like Ferdman, Plambeck, Noltemeyer and Lutness, all of whom have much to say but of whom nobody listens.
  9. JerryDecember 10, 2010 at 12:02 pm
    Hey Saugus Splasher. Seems to me, if no one was listening, you would not keep repeating their names. You and all the rest of your group at City Hall, are way out of line.
  10. Bill ReynoldsDecember 10, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    It should be noted that even when first time speakers take time to passionately voice their concerns at City Council public hearings they too are routinely ignored.
  11. Coastal SageDecember 10, 2010 at 8:18 pm
    An allegory for Santa Clarita: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/world/europe/11impunity.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp
  12. Berta González-HarperDecember 10, 2010 at 11:50 am
    @Lori you and others continuously label ALL OF US on the committee and participating in this process when you make these general statements: “FYI, the Library Committee meeting was a sham.” By extension, you are implying that all of us participating are part of this “sham” since we did not stand up en masse and expose these folks for deceitfully giving everyone the false impression, ACCORDING TO YOU, that they wanted our input. While I would have done things a bit differently, as I said it was a good first effort. Those committee members I worked with come from very different backgrounds and areas of the city. I did not previously know anyone in my group. We even had a 16-year-old young man amongst our group and ALL of us fully participated in the exercise and provided terrific input and ideas. To label the meeting a sham is to disrespect not only the process but also all of the participants. Another “label” was your reference to Moorpark City Librarian Barbara Wolfe: “She was at the meeting, too. Acting as the paper monitor.” Ms. Wolfe is an LSSI librarian who appears to be designated as our regional support staff person. I do not know Ms. Wolfe but I do think it is a good idea to have someone from LSSI closer than the folks in Riverside, CA overseeing our local libraries. She works in Thousand Oaks so I think she probably lives somewhere in that general area which is closer to Santa Clarita than Riverside. It appeared to me she was there to be introduced as part of the team and a local resource. Labeling her a “paper pusher” because she helped distribute materials was unfair Lori. I also passed down materials so am I also just there as a paper pusher? Never mind, I can guess your answer. Again, you are the one making remarks and labeling people.
  13. The King of SCVDecember 10, 2010 at 4:50 pm
    Don’t be so thin skinned Berta. You have lots of ideas and good intentions but I see you spending a lot of time defending yourself in a place that doesn’t really matter to your causes. It’s a blog, not work or a council meeting. Please take no offense, I’m not trying to offend. Just pointing out something that doesn’t seem like you.
  14. cashDecember 10, 2010 at 5:09 pm
    BG-H just likes to argue. Defending the City Staff is a full time job you know. This should tell us all something about the city. No?
  15. Berta González-HarperDecember 10, 2010 at 10:30 pm
    @ The King of SCV I unfortunately do not acknowledge your reign or authority and am but a stubborn woman unwilling to bend a knee. Perhaps I shall anoint myself Empress of the Universe, which trumps your title. If I were thin skinned as you say I would already be dead since I have by far taken more abuse than anyone else has on this site for months. I have been called names NO other female has been called. I can take care of myself though if Jeff does not block my posts but thanks for your concern. I do not feel that I am defending myself rather I believe I am trying to explain the basis for my view on a given issue. If you feel that does not sound like me, you have not been paying attention. I enjoy discussing issues with a wide variety of people and am happy to learn from others. I also enjoy sharing information and rebutting misinformation. I do agree with you that on this site it is mostly a waste of time but if even one person examines an issue based on something I post, I consider the time spent worthwhile. TKoSCV (sounds Russian) I take no offense since your tone is not insulting. Have a great weekend!
  16. Gang FangDecember 10, 2010 at 8:52 pm
    Berta, may I suggest you take it down a notch and stop acting like you’re on a committee to end world hunger? You’re coming off like some sort of elementary school student who gets picked to help the teacher, and then acts superior as she cleans the black board. This whole library shim sham is gonna be a hot mess, oy vey!
  17. Berta González-HarperDecember 10, 2010 at 10:46 pm
    @Gang Fang I do not do things based upon what I think others will approve. I do or say things because I honestly believe in them. If my convictions and commitment to whatever I am involved in are not to your liking, so be it. It is in my nature to fully commit and engage and I would not have it any other way. If your preference is different, that is ok too.
  18. Gang FangDecember 11, 2010 at 12:43 am
    Such a martyr.
  19. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 12:09 pm
    @Gang Fang I am no martyr. I willingly donate only my time and energy. Martyr’s sacrifice much more…
  20. Mark from SaugusDecember 11, 2010 at 6:33 pm
    Joan of Ark Gonzalez-Harper
  21. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    @Mark well now that is refreshing. I have not been called a saint recently and never on this blog so thanks. Although I know it is not your intention to compliment me, I do not hear voices unless I have the radio or TV on, and it is a crime to burn people at the stake these days, I most certainly do want to serve my Lord.
  22. Mark from SaugusDecember 11, 2010 at 6:50 pm
    One Library Commitee – Thirty-seven Visions
  23. The King of SCVDecember 10, 2010 at 4:31 pm
    Saugus Splasher Do I recall you insulting a person crippled in a wheelchair? If so, I would remind everyone that you have rank and heartless disregard for people. May you take this time of year to put your guns down, focus on the meaning of the season and quit rudeness. Find some peace this time of year and do something nice for a change.
  24. Coastal SageDecember 10, 2010 at 7:41 pm
    In the business world, employees who are rude to customers are fired. Quite obviously things are different in “public service”.
  25. The King of SCVDecember 10, 2010 at 9:01 pm
    This is a true statement Sage. Marry Christmas to you –
  26. LibraryLoverTooDecember 12, 2010 at 7:52 am
    Wow, SaugusSplasher, a city employee talking trash. After the committee revival meeting, I’m shocked…wait…no, I’m really not. Guess city employees who have a pension and other benefits feel safe calling names. Also guess you have no fear of being fired. Fortunately you work for the city, so you can get away with it. A library employee would get fired. They told me so.
  27. Berta González-HarperDecember 10, 2010 at 11:07 pm
    @Lori you can ask Mr. Dubberly yourself. Listed in my committee workbook is Ronald Dubberly’s email address as ron.dubberly@lssi.com
  28. Library Card Carrying BookreaderDecember 11, 2010 at 9:21 am
    If his email address doesn’t clue you in to who Dubberly is then go here http://www.lssi.com/news/Dubberly%20News%20release%20Final.pdf . Dubberly is not an unbiased facilitator, he is an LSSI President tasked with producing a work product that has the purpose of tamping down dissent and making people feel good about a decision ‘that has already been made’. His purpose is to insure and increase LSSI’s profits. To think otherwise is naive.
  29. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 11:51 am
    @LCCB Mr. Dubberly’s email address is more honest than your bloggers name. Who are you, who and what is behind your group, and what is your true agenda? Mr. Dubberly never tried to hide his affiliation with LSSI or he would not have listed his LSSI email address in our workbooks. He could easily have listed another email address. As to his purpose according to you, yet again you insult all of us involved in this process by remarks like this one “producing a work product that has the purpose of tamping down dissent and making people feel good about a decision ‘that has already been made’. His purpose is to insure and increase LSSI’s profits. To think otherwise is naive.” So according to you and others we are all mindless sheep who are naive and incapable of “dissenting” if we disagree with either the process or the outcome. Wow, you really do not know me or the others on this committee! I know I do not know you since you hide behind a pseudonym to post your lies and distortions but truth will win out in the end. I am confident in the process and in the end result because I have a VOICE and am not afraid to use it.
  30. Saugus SplasherDecember 11, 2010 at 2:37 pm
    Wahhh-wahhh-wahhh. Have a safe trip back from namby-pamby land.
  31. LibraryLoverTooDecember 12, 2010 at 7:54 am
    Looks like cracks are forming. So much for “resident” input.
  32. cashDecember 10, 2010 at 11:26 am
    Does anyone wonder why “cracks are forming”? I think the answer is that public libraries are no longer the main source for information, research, etc. The city might as well have invested in a horse drawn carriage company! Not to mention that the life in down town Newhall should have been resuscitated years ago, now it is too late and the patient has long passed and decayed beyond recognition.
  33. Mark from SaugusDecember 10, 2010 at 12:44 pm
    Lipstick on a pig!
  34. Mr PerezDecember 10, 2010 at 3:23 pm
    EXACTLY! And in this era of technology any publication can be scanned, or dictated into electronic form, and made available to anyone in the world, minus North Korea, China, and Berkeley. I got it that you cant feel the actual book but this is Southern California where fake is supposedly better. Or at least thats what those SCV magazines that come in the mail to my house say lol
  35. Mark from SaugusDecember 11, 2010 at 9:01 am
    Books with saline implants.
  36. Mr PerezDecember 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Makes for a perkier reader )
  37. dorothymantoothDecember 10, 2010 at 12:12 pm
    After attending a chat with Councilmember Ender, I’ll admit to feeling better about the City’s decision to switch from the County system to LSSI. However, I agree that if the City REALLY wanted the public’s opinions and ideas, they would’ve made the public more involved much earlier. I believe, and I don’t expect people to agree with me, that the city made the right decision in the wrong way. If the powers that be had educated the public to this LONG before it was put to a vote, they would have had push back. But once everyone was educated properly, minds could have been changed. The City didn’t act in secret, but they were sneaky. They are getting backlash when it’s too late, the decision has been made and the change is happening, for them it’s much better than this happening before a vote was taken. Bad Form to the City for manipulating the system, but change is a-comin’ whether we like it or not. We can support it and try to make it better OR we can keep pissing and moaning about it. I’m going to try to be supportive, but I still appreciate the pissers and the moaners.
  38. RemStarDecember 10, 2010 at 12:26 pm
    DOROTHY MANTOOTH IS A SAINT!!!
  39. The King of SCVDecember 10, 2010 at 4:39 pm
    You are right Dorothy, The conscientiousness of our city officials is very bad. They had to make the conscious decision to act this way in closes session. It had to be discussed amongst council, city manager, and staff to be sly and secretive. If I were amongst them I would have never agreed to this without the extensive inclusion of the residents the system would serve. As the King of SCV, I applaud your pointing out this behavior as you have. Good job.
  40. Mark from SaugusDecember 11, 2010 at 9:03 am
    You’re not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.
  41. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 11:54 am
    @Mark from Saugus, I would rather live in Dorothy’s version of reality than your negative world any day.
  42. Mark from SaugusDecember 11, 2010 at 6:07 pm
    Bertha, I’d rather live in a negative world than your humorless world any day.
  43. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 8:47 pm
    @Mark for someone who apparently does not read well you make some funny assumptions…
  44. KevinADecember 12, 2010 at 7:03 am
    Yikes– you feel better after chatting with Laurie Ender?!?!? I was part of the “open to the public” audience at the committee meeting, and I was disgusted. It was more like a revival meeting (say “amen” somebody!!). A rep from LSSI should not have been present, conjuring up visions of the future…walk in to any mental hospital and say that and they wouldn’t even let you go home for your pajamas. Just like the SC council, to set up a dog-and-pony show, no resident input, no talk about running a real library (as opposed to the Barnes & Noble model of best sellers and coffee shop). Next meeting maybe everyone will get in touch with their inner child. Thank goodness we can all still go to Castaic and Acton, to use a library.
  45. gregory molineriDecember 10, 2010 at 3:20 pm
    Yup. Library Committee members are to represent themselves and their own opinions (and, I guess, by extension, whatever “community” the City Council thinks they represent), and focus groups will be by invitation only. That’s what’s so great about the committee idea… Whatever these 37 people adopt is approved by the remaining 189,963 residents who didn’t show up! Ender’s “silent majority.”
  46. lvogelDecember 10, 2010 at 4:44 pm
    Anyone else get a call yesterday (or recently) regarding a survey to find out how you would vote if the LSSI issue was brought to a city ballot? I did! It’s never easy taking these calls, but I do and I often have the caller repeat several questions; which I did with this. One ballot question he mentioned: that the city may lower the taxes, yet provide more services , would I vote yes. How can that be? Longer hours, more books, kids tutoring, gang intervention programs (yes, that was one of the ‘improvements’) and better/more staff. It didn’t make sense and sounded like a sales pitch, quite honestly.
  47. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 11:58 am
    @lvogel no one has called me but I would be interested in hearing what they have to say and who they represent.
  48. lvogelDecember 13, 2010 at 11:04 am
    I wish I could remember, Berta Gonzalez-Harper. I’ve gotten these type of ‘survey’ calls before regarding other possible ballot measures. He did make a point of saying if it were to come to a vote within the SCV, they were asking questions to see how and why I would vote/not vote on this library issue. As I said, there were a lot of questions and scenerios, but the scenerio that stuck out was that our taxes would be lowered yet they would offer longer hours and more programs. I questioned (John) serveral times and had him repeat several of the questions because I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. I can’t be the only person here in the SCV to get this phone call, or perhaps I’m the only person that actually ‘takes’ these kind of phone calls.
  49. Berta González-HarperDecember 13, 2010 at 11:40 am
    @lvogel interesting information. I accept those kinds of calls and frequently question the data methodology, the purpose of the data collection, who is paying him/her, supporting facts for their statements, etc. I did not receive such a call, I have asked my friends and they have not either, so you are the only person that I know of that has. Now I am curious. Do you know the name of the company conducting the survey?
  50. Cheryl PhillipsDecember 10, 2010 at 9:33 pm
    There was a huge elephant in the room at the meeting last night. Because none of us knew what the heck the point was of the exercise we had to do – Picture Santa Clarita 10 years from now – imagine how successful the community and people have been. Now describe the communities……………but don’t mention anything about libraries and don’t connect anything you write to libraries. Huh? Crazy me – I thought discussing what we want in our new libraries was why we were all here.
  51. Berta González-HarperDecember 10, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    @Cheryl it was nice to meet you last night. Those of us in my group understood that the exercise was to get us to think about what kind of community we want to have in ten years. As the process continues and we refine and work as a cohesive group that information is extrapolated to define what we want our community libraries to be like. I have been involved in other similar strategic planning sessions and as Mr. Dubberly said many times, it looks like mud now but will eventually be the cake we want.
  52. Saugus SplasherDecember 11, 2010 at 2:30 pm
    They don’t need a committee, they can just ask Phillips and Rivas because they are experts at everything. So why did they want to be on a committee if they didn’t understand what it was going to do and were going to just bitch and moan about how its being run after one meeting? Do either of them even have a masters in library management?
  53. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 3:13 pm
    @Saugus Splasher I am sure they can speak for themselves but I personally do not put Cheryl Phillips in the same category as Lori Rivas. As I understand it, Cheryl is a retired school librarian, appointed to the committee although opposed to the decision to leave COLA, and has not been routinely “bitching and moaning” or disrespecting the process and participants like Lori has. Cheryl has stated her opposition and concerns. In my opinion, perhaps Cheryl needs a few more meetings to see the big picture and better understand this process. Lori is just upset and is not interested in being reasonable. Those of us in support to form our own library system and separate from the county need to be careful not to fall into the same trap many of those opposed to this decision are in, demonizing and insulting the other side. At the end of this process, we will all benefit and still be neighbors, etc.
  54. Lori RivasDecember 11, 2010 at 5:15 pm
    Berta, please (again) keep your insults to yourself. If you cannot debate issues, and can only resort to personal attacks, then perhaps you need to take a break.
  55. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 8:42 pm
    @Lori I can debate or discuss any issue with any reasonable person. I tried on more than one occasion to discuss the library issue with you and it did not work out. You have your position, like to make cracks about everyone because you were not picked to be on the committee, and feel free to insult anyone whose opinion differs. That is certainly your right but I will simply not let you keep distorting and spewing with impunity. I do not need your permission to speak and have no problem expressing my views. Just as you can say whatever negative comments you want about the process, the participants, and me personally I can express my opinion that you are unreasonable on this topic. You do not have to agree with or like my opinion but you do not get to tell me what I can say. I do not intend to keep my opinions or my displeasure at your insults to myself. We could have been great allies to advocate for those things we both want for our library system. Instead, you chose to throw a tantrum and disrespect everyone else because you did not get what you want.
  56. Lori RivasDecember 11, 2010 at 9:11 pm
    You are way out of line, Berta. Stop trying to pick a fight. I will not fight with you.
  57. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 9:33 pm
    @Lori I am not trying to pick a fight with you. I have no desire to fight with you or anyone else, however, I will not sit quietly by while you insult me and others, distort events and facts, or tell me what I can say.
  58. SimonSaysStopDecember 12, 2010 at 8:05 am
    Well, Cheryl, I think KevinA is right: next week you’ll get in touch with your inner child, and be encouraged not totalk about libraries. ‘Cause the future LSSI “bookstore” won’t be anything you’d remotely connect with a library. Cheryl, you’re bright, you understand the situation, and next time you can call a halt to the visionary process. Dubberly may have been trained in psychological warfare, but you know his moves and motives. Just know that the residents are behind you, to stand up for us and ask hard questions: ask for a line-item budget, ask exactly how all the services we want are to be paid for (yes, I know the contract has a clause that services will require the city to fork over more $), ask who will pay for inter-library loans. Ask, ask, ask!!! Don’t fall for the LSSI mindgames.
  59. Gang FangDecember 11, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Another reminder: This is a library we’re talking about. A library. Try decaf?
  60. Gang FangDecember 11, 2010 at 8:13 pm
    Another reminder: This is a library we’re talking about. A library. Try decaf maybe?
  61. Berta González-HarperDecember 11, 2010 at 8:54 pm
    @Gang Fang sorry but I enjoy my two cups of freshly ground and brewed fully leaded coffee every morning. I enjoy one cup while reading my newspaper and the other one while perusing scvtalk.com. I am not willing to give up one of life’s simple pleasure for anyone…
  62. The real King if SCVDecember 11, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    Mrs Harper, you are a woman of many talents. It lessens your cred to be flinging jabs and defending every little issue with such veracity. Don’t let pride get in your way and lessen the proactive juices that flow within you for good. The tit for tat stuff is really silly and unbecoming of you. I enjoy your energy. Just don’t become the Cam N. of scvTalk. Have a pleasant and joyful holiday to you Berta.
  63. Berta González-HarperDecember 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    @ The real King if SCV, thank you for your kind words although I am not sure I am “a woman of many talents.” I honestly could give a fig about my “cred” since that is a very subjective issue anyway and I have come to realize some will disrespect me simply for their own amusement anyway. Depending on whom you talk to, I am a fair-minded, intelligent, credible individual or an ugly, stupid, ignorant, b…. I have no desire to become the Cam N. of scvtalk or anywhere else although I have to say that Cam is very different and actually quite pleasant when you engage her on matters not related to city hall, developers, etc. While I appreciate your perspective and the kind manner in which you share it with me, I will continue to be my genuine self since at the end of the day that is the only thing I can control, my own honesty and integrity. Thanks, and have a pleasant and joyful holiday yourself TrKiSCV (also sounds Russian).
  64. SCV SageDecember 13, 2010 at 1:47 pm
    But, what I want to know is how many dog and ponys showed up for this Dog and Pony Show put on by City Staff and Company? No one saw fit to report that.
  65. Berta González-HarperDecember 13, 2010 at 3:12 pm
    @SCV Sage this meeting was well attended. The Century Room looked full to me and although I did not do a head count I would guess around 75 were in the room including City and LSSI folks. It was not a dog and pony show either.

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