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Underserved and underwhelmed in the SCV

Reader LStaedtler had an interesting comment yesterday on how the SCV is actually underserved when it comes to libraries (if you measure by population and square footage):

If you take just a look at the city, they have a population of approximately 177,000. If you apply the LA County standard (which may change if the City decides to come up with their own standard), the City needs 88,500 square feet of library space.  With the three city libraries, there is approximately 45,800 square feet of space.  That’s a deficiency of 42,700 square feet. Even with the new Newhalllibrary, that would bring their square footage to 71,000 approximately. That’s still a deficiency of 17,500.

In closing, the Santa Clarita Valley is vastly underserved by libraries and new facilities need to be built. Stevenson Ranch is a good one by the County. The City should probably build a new facility in the Saugus area as the math shows they’re deficient as well.

I think lstaedtler is right, and, what’s more, I’m feeling bitchy today and this got me thinking…in what other industries and services are we underserved? Here’s a few off the top of my head:

  • Movie theaters: Seriously? Two theaters with a total of 22 (maybe 24?) screens serving a population of almost 250,000 people? And, to add insult to injury, they’re both Regal/Edwards, the lowest common denominator of the movies, the Pic ‘n Save of the theater business. No Landmark or Arclight for us “way out there” in the SCV. And yet we willingly open our valley up to the film makers and producers on the other end of the theater supply chain. Thanks for the love Hollywood!
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  • Consumer electronics: Three Walmarts, two Targets, a Kohls, two Rosses, and a few Tuesday Morning/Home Goods type stores. Plenty of variety for those retail segments, but only one Best Buy. And it’s way up in Saugus served by a parking lot designed by M.C. Escher. It wasn’t always this bad. We used to have a Good Guys and a Circuit City. Soon we’ll have an Apple store. But it’s not enough.
  • Men’s clothing: When the Magic Mountain Pkwy Mervyn’s closed, it forced me to branch out and discover that men’s clothing consisted of more than khaki-colored Dockers and High Sierra polos. Yet here again, the SCV disappoints. The men’s clothing section at Macy’s is smaller than the women’s, and specialty men’s clothiers in the SCV are few and far between. We’re not all roughnecks and/or Abercrombie teens up here people. Why do I have to venture south to find a good suit or some moderately fashionable men’s threads? And no, Boot Barn is not acceptable fashion for all times and places
  • Good broadband. Time Warner cable is second rate, my AT&T DSL struggles to get 2mb/s, and even AT&T U-verse pales in comparison to Verizon’s FIOS. Who’s pocket do we have to pad to get some real broadband (50+mb/s) in this town?
  • Restaurants & Coffee shops.
  • Courthouses & civic buildings (they’re working on the former though)

This is going to sound sexist, but if you step back and look at it, the town seems to provide abundant amenities to women, but it doesn’t offer the same level to discerning men. A woman can hit up the Glenn Ivy Day Spa, shop along Town Center  at some of the nicer retailers, go down-market at the Ross to score a deal and finish off the day sipping wine with friends. But for men? Well, if you are the type of man who would wait in line for Transformers 3, drive a stomper truck, and wear Hurley t-shirt over your beer gut to a night of fine dining at the Chilis, then the SCV  has what you need. In fact, you’ll never need to leave.

I know because that man used to be me.

Meanwhile, you can fold up a copy of the Signal into a paper airplane, throw it, and it will likely land at a nail salon, a dry cleaner, monster truck accessory shop, karate dojo, strip-mall church, or massage parlor.

Maybe Apple Computer sees something in the SCV that the other retailers haven’t yet, something that will presage more retail investment in Santa Clarita. Maybe there’s hope for more shopping, dining, and leisure options. But I’m not holding my breath. If anything, the problem is worse than it was just 10 years ago. And now that I’ve become an insufferable snob about what I eat and wear, I notice it more.

Underserved and underwhelmed in the SCV

Comments (43)

  1. JayceJune 8, 2011 at 10:14 am
    Remember when we almost got a Frys? Yeah…
  2. Lori RivasJune 8, 2011 at 10:21 am
    The lack of library square footage is the City’s reason for building the new Newhall library. I saw the info presented on SCVtv several years ago — some blond, independent library consultant woman.
  3. VenturanJune 8, 2011 at 10:29 am
    Acute care hospitals, anyone? Talk about underserved!
  4. ScottEJune 8, 2011 at 11:13 am
    3 out of 3 female shoppers I know consider the choices for women’s clothing to be crap as well. Unless sweatpants are your thing.* * – See reference in previous thread re: CIP
  5. CCJune 8, 2011 at 2:52 pm
    Nordstroms is the place to be…
  6. WalkerJune 8, 2011 at 3:18 pm
    I don’t want to come off all suburban snobby, but I totally think we need a Nordstrom. They have the best kids shoe department and our local choices for kids shoes totally suck.
  7. spineflower2June 9, 2011 at 9:16 am
    But are you willing to have $10M of taxpayer money go to the company to entice them to locate here?
  8. WillJune 8, 2011 at 3:46 pm
    Glad to hear that I am not the only one who is dissatisfied with the selection of women’s clothing in this town. I have a relative who is a buyer for a very trendy independent clothing boutique outside of Chicago. She was appalled at the selection of women’s clothing stores at the mall when she came to visit. I basically send her money and say “send me some hip new things” and I get a package of clothing that I can’t find out here.
  9. AlpinerJune 8, 2011 at 11:32 am
    We do have Best Buy and we do seem abundant in the Grocery food areas, but what I miss is independent hardware stores like Newhall Hardware. But what we see in the SCV is a trend that I think almost every community is witnessing. Frankly, I am a conservative who is tired of the Wal-Marts and such whose constant search for the lowest prices has basically almost killed manufacturing in this nation as they seek manufacturers that use low cost labor — almost all of them overseas — that come in at such a low price that USA based companies cannot even compete. We worry about the national financial debt, but at the same time we have a “job” debt that is growing even bigger every day — and the two are related. I am one of those that do not believe that a “service economy” can sustain the quality of life that we Americans are used to or want. We need real job creation and I think all of us need to realize that buying products made in America is not a bad thing, but a true investment in our own future. Price has got to stop being everything. And I know that is the hardest thing, but look at the organic foods movement. All that needs to occur is a shift of thought. And yes, I do not favor the library takeover.
  10. WalkerJune 8, 2011 at 11:32 am
    First, for the record, TuesdayMorning has been gone for years. Sadness Second, OMG I agree on the movie theaters. You have to leave the SCV for any independent that’s not religious based or some sort of LDS novelty flick. Mens clothes – don’t all grown men sport Costco Chic? Well, except those freaky ‘TapOut’ men, reliving their youth, or whatever. My husband, though, proudly sports his Costco (no clue on the brand) cargo shorts and random Costco Tshirts. This seems to be standard grown up man garb for the SCV. Is that not enough for you???? My additions: The east side needs decent food. OMG the choices for a quick bite are limited. REI! It would make me unbelievably happy to have a local REI. Yard House. I didn’t know I needed one until I learned that the AV was getting one. Seriously????? They get good food and we get Chickfila???? That just makes no sense to me at all.
  11. MikeJune 8, 2011 at 11:53 am
    Agree on all points except, no, an Apple store is enough. All we’ll ever need, in fact. Movie theaters might as well be 12 screens because both theaters have nearly identical slates. What we need is one of those spaceship buildings that Apple is going to build in Cupertino. I’m not sure what goes in there, but yeah. I don’t know if I’d call TWC second rate. I’ve had no more than three outages in 10 years, and the fancy package gets you 30+. Not where we want it to be, but still. Where did this explosion of cupcake shops come from?
  12. AlpinerJune 8, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    Fully agree with mike on Apple…
  13. JayceJune 8, 2011 at 1:03 pm
    Like there was ever a doubt you wouldn’t Alpiner
  14. LarMccJune 8, 2011 at 9:26 pm
    Went to Poached Pear for a mole cupcake this morning. Had a chocolate/mole biscotti from them the other night that was insane.
  15. ToddJune 8, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    A couple of points: 1.) Why must you continue to ignore the plague that is our healthcare options, specifically hospitals? In addition to that, I’m going to gripe about paramedic service and how transportation is farmed out to the lowest bidder. Do you want your life in the hands of a minimum-wage earning (usually) kid (again, usually) driving you at breakneck (hopefully) speed to our one and only hospital, possibly 20-30 minutes away? I sure as hell don’t. 2.) Movie Theaters. My California Bride ( Timmy) and I LOVE the Arclight! We go often. In addition, we love going to the Gold Class Cinemas in Pasadena whenever we run into a little extra cash. (Tuesday night, member appreciation… Free popcorn! I digress… ) Both would be PERFECT for the reasonably affluent population of Santa Clarita. 3.) Broadband. Uverse is frickin awesome. No, its not Fiber To The Home/Curb, but its Fiber to the Node and the speeds are awesome, the picture quality is excellent. Its the best we can get. Verizon won’t happen because they’re not the telco in our area… so short of Verizon buying out AT&T, you’re left with UVerse. Seriously, its good. 4.) Civic Center. We need to take over the old Newhall Land building and convert that to City Hall. That entire rest of that block should be raized and rebuilt with a new police services building (maybe one day, our own?) new courthouse, new library. Make it a true civic center. One that people are proud of… not one with a nasty wooden sign styled in the 80′s with the paint peeling (I drove by yesterday and lamented at how poor the signs looked… seriously, we can’t update that????) Consumer Electronics and Clothing: Blame the internet. I literally do 99.999% of my shopping for both online… because, well, they just don’t carry what I want/need in the stores anyway. (And a quick tip… if you’re looking to be pampered in a manly way… head over to Apollo’s Men’s Salon on Tournament… get a trim, straight razor shave, a glass of Scotch and a cigar… I don’t love the hair cut I got, but I’ll always go back for a shave… maybe even today on the way home…. Just want to relax with the fellas? I recommend Robinson Ranch golf course. Private feel, yet its public. Reasonable fees. Nice place to just hang out.)
  16. 4eyedsueJune 8, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    California Bride… that was cute!
  17. ToddJune 8, 2011 at 12:54 pm
    Egad! Thought I just pulled a Costal Sage there… but I’m just under the self-imposed limit of 400 words for a reply. Phew. Almost had to thumbsdown myself.
  18. MikeJune 8, 2011 at 1:00 pm
    Todd, you just won the all-time accidental humor award: One: http://stashbox.org/1126609/Screen%20shot%202011-06-08%20at%201.55.20%20PM.png Two: http://stashbox.org/1126612/Screen%20shot%202011-06-08%20at%201.55.32%20PM.png
  19. ToddJune 8, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    Indeed, I saw the same thing happen.
  20. laus DeoJune 8, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    It looks to me that there is a lot of activity at the old Do-It Center building. Anyone have some 411.
  21. lhasa apsoJune 8, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    No idea, but I’m hoping for a Cheesecake Factory. Their food is “delicious!”
  22. yourwebguruJune 8, 2011 at 2:21 pm
    The SCV at least now has its own miniaturized version of a Guitar Center store (For the frustrated musicians out there).
  23. Josh PremakoJune 8, 2011 at 8:21 pm
    Gotta say, I was very underwhelmed by the Guitar Center. Better than Lowe’s or the recently closed World Music, but really subpar for a GC. Though they did turn around a rewiring job on one of my guitars quickly and did great work.
  24. yourwebguruJune 8, 2011 at 8:30 pm
    I was a purchasing agent for them 20 years ago (I bought guitars and amps) when they were the world’s largest music chain with a WHOPPING 16 stores. I didn’t realize World Music closed. I used to know Javier when he ran the one in Simi Valley.
  25. Gang FangJune 8, 2011 at 10:30 pm
    Guitar Center: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_JXKVUY6e8
  26. Joe KJune 8, 2011 at 2:27 pm
    I agree that even with the new library, we are drastically underserved. I think the staff do a great job with the resources they are given, but it just isn’t a priority. My home town, with a population of about 100,000, had a 50,000square foot library in addition to the library of the local university. In 2003 they expanded the library to 100,000 square feet! ( Columbia, MO ). If we had the same ratio, our main library would be close to 200,000 square feet. Having our flagship library well south of 50,000 cubic feet is pathetic. But we are a bedroom community, so who cares? And yes, an REI would be great. PS>The new library looks way too corporate and not civic. But since it’s going to be run by a corporation, that makes sense.
  27. Joe KJune 8, 2011 at 2:33 pm
    Not cubic, square feet. My bad.
  28. Cheryl PhillipsJune 8, 2011 at 3:07 pm
    Attended the County Library Stevenson Ranch meeting last night. sounds like we will be adding library square footage in a couple of years. We’ll have a County Branch closer to SCV than Castaic, Agua Dulce and San Fernando. There has been talk off and on that Main St. in Downtown Newhall will eventually add a Laemmle Theater. That would be so sweet not to have to drive to Sherman Oaks ArcLight or the Laemmle or to Pasadena Laemmle in order to see a REAL movie! I’m going to be optimistic and believe that this will happen in the near future. Our Macy’s is at the bottom of the totem pole as far as Macy’s go – less inventory, less name brands, less everything. I have to go to the Macy’s in Woodland Hills, and it always amazes me, “Wow, they don’t have any of this stuff in our Awesometown store!”
  29. Timothy Myers SR.June 8, 2011 at 3:17 pm
    Cheryl: The talk you have heard about a Laemmle Theater in Newhall is just that: Talk. Like “Wouldn’t it be nice to have a theater like Laemmle in Newhall.”
  30. Cheryl PhillipsJune 8, 2011 at 4:33 pm
    Damn!!!!!
  31. WillJune 8, 2011 at 4:45 pm
    I second that Damn!!!
  32. SaugushomeownerJune 8, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Why isn’t everyone shopping way down in downtown Newhall. There will be a great library soon and probably surrounded by taco carts and food trucks.
  33. LindaJune 8, 2011 at 7:15 pm
    I guess they don’t have the proper attire. If you show up in sweat pants, Scott will make fun of you.
  34. CCJune 8, 2011 at 8:28 pm
    He has made me feel quite conspicuous in my “Juicy” weekend wear.
  35. LindaJune 9, 2011 at 6:25 am
    I keep telling you that the NASCAR handbag has to go!
  36. CCJune 9, 2011 at 7:09 am
    Yeah, but it goes so well with my flip flops.
  37. LindaJune 8, 2011 at 7:27 pm
    All this whining about not having adequate opportunities to spend more….. seems kinda odd in the face of how many people are just barely getting by these days. Restaurants have a very high failure rate in the best of times. And retailers are all hurting right now — even the grocery stores. Ten years ago Santa Clarita was booming. We’re in the Great Recession now. Buy your suits at the Stevenson Ranch Goodwill and quit your kvetching!
  38. LarMccJune 8, 2011 at 9:30 pm
    I think everyones missing the high percentage of massage parlors we have in this valley. What’s the ratio on that? It seems there is one on every corner. I gotta think we are beating other cities, at least in this respect.
  39. LindaJune 9, 2011 at 6:22 am
    I think they’re meeting a need. All those Mormons need a place to work the kinks out after spending most of Sunday in church.
  40. localteachJune 8, 2011 at 10:32 pm
    Tween boys’ clothing– lousy selection. Been to every store in town looking for dress pants for 6th grade promotion because there are no jeans allowed. Nothing but black pleated-front pants, but can’t even find a pair of those in his size. Pretty typical.
  41. NateJune 9, 2011 at 8:01 am
    100% agree with the internet. I have been in Santa Clarita for 6 years. I have one option. AT&T, where is this “free market”? I get about .6 mbps!!!
  42. LindaJune 9, 2011 at 10:21 am
    And yet, Nate, you do so much with so little!
  43. spineflower2June 9, 2011 at 12:20 pm
    Are we still talking about internet connections? Sounds like a little too personal a comment this forum…

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