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That other School Board Member with strange views

I have a like/dislike relationship with Joe Messina, elected Hart Board member, local radio personality, and all round good guy. 

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I love the fact that Joe Messina dishes on local Republicans and isn't afraid to voice his views on Facebook, his blog, or his radio show. Joe is not a careful politician, and in an age of polished pols with focus-group tested messages, Joe Messina stands out for his frankness. Hell, I even voted for him, he was such a breath of fresh air!

The dislike part of my relationship involves his actual message. It's sad but true; what makes Joe authentic is also the thing that makes me kind of frightened that he's actually an elected official. Indeed, when he's not writing illuminating posts on Facebook about internal SCV politics, he's taking to his blog to complain about second-hand accounts of bestiality being taught to grade school kids in some other state, claims that any rational person would take with a grain of salt, or spend a few minutes tracking down to find that they are often false, exaggerated, or just silly misinterpretations.

But for Joe, they are gospel. And such horror stories are proof that not only is American civilization in decline, but that there is an immense battle underway between the forces of Secular Humanism and good ol' fashioned American Conservatism. And, in this battle, Joe views himself as an active combatant.

He is the SCV's own Glenn Beck. You're kind of fond of him for making something of himself, you admire his success in life, and you want him to have his say, but his actual views are quite frankly, frightening. He's like a walking, talking, breathing conservative id; what flows from that id is disorganized, often contradictory and seeks immediate gratification & validation; Messina's conservative id is, as Freud called it, "a chaos, a cauldron full of seething excitations." 

Tomorrow we'll see another piece of Joe Messina's id that, uncharacteristically, he's been careful to hide up until this point. Yes, we all know he worries about schools teaching bestiality or building gender-neutral bathrooms, but tomorrow, we'll get to see the real Joe Messina on the topic of science and evolution. Today he announced a special guest for his radio program tomorrow:

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Yep. You're reading that right. On June 25, 2013, Hart District Board member Joe Messina, in his role as a radio host, will bring to the SCV a 21st century version of the Scopes Monkey trial.

Evolution is on trial in Joe's mind; it's not settled science, which is why he's hosting a (Young/Old?) earth creationist on tomorrow's program. I looked up this Dr to see his background, and while he holds a Doctorate, it's not in biology, evolutionary biology, physical anthropology or bio-chemistry, he's an orthopedic surgeon. Which means, from the get-go, there's a logical flaw to this program (appeal to authority fallacy, look it up) even as the good Dr. will attempt to explain the logical fallacy of evolution. 

In any event, there you have Joe Messina in a nutshell. He's a good and decent man, his work on the Hart District hasn't been remarkable or even controversial, but on the inside, he is waging a battle to take us all back to simpler times (the 1950s perhaps, or maybe the 20s, I don't know what conservatives ultimately want) and every once in awhile, he shows his true colors. Keep this in mind the next time he runs for public office. 

Tune in tomorrow on your AM Radio Dial to KHTS 1220 to hear -in 2013 no less!- how evolution is false, courtesy of our School Board member Joe Messina. 


That other School Board Member with strange views

Comments (23)

  1. InkGigoloMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
    Jeff, I think you're being harsh. After all, Evolution .. it's just a "theory."
  2. WhiteligMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
    There is a reason why they call it the "Theory" of Evolution.
  3. InkGigoloMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
    You're kidding .. right? Cause I was: "When used in non-scientific context, the word “theory” implies that something is unproven or speculative. As used in science, however, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena." - www.livescience.com #kthxbai
  4. MikeMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQR1r1KTjaE
  5. InkGigoloMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
    Are you "Mike" or are you the "Real Mike?"
  6. JulieOMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
    Neither evolution nor creationism is provable. Both require faith.
  7. JulieOTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 9:34 am
    I'm sorry meant to say the big bang theory (not evolution) - I was uber exhausted last night. But I do stand by the notion that much of what we learn about science requires faith. We must have faith that what we see in books has been subject to the scientific method and that the material is being presented accurately and objectively. We must have faith that when new information is uncovered that might contradict what has been previously believed and taught will be presented. We must have faith that our teachers understand what is proven and what is not and that they present that accurately. Heck, we all exhibit faith in humankind, in our laws, etc. simply by getting in a car and leaving our driveway. Anyway, I came back primarily to add that I'm disappointed by this piece. It reads like a personal vendetta because there's little evidence to support the conclusions Jeff has drawn. If you want to educate us and convince us why we should be afraid of Joe being on the board, then lay out some evidence of why his belief system has or will harm our kids' education. Till then, I have no problem with the board members having diverse views as long as they conduct themselves in accordance with our moral, ethical, and professional standards and don't impose their belief system on our kids' education without proper due process and approval. If I see a misstep I'll be among the first to come forward and demand some answers. Also, I don't share Joe Messina's political views - in fact we're on opposite sides there. However, I like to have an open mind and be as informed as I can before having an opinion on some things so I went to Joe's website to see what you were talking about with this talk of bestiality in the schools. The context is he was discussing a book that has been controversial in other parts of the country (fyi his talk show is national) and I read excerpts of that book online and there is no way that book can be compared to the classics or any literature with educational value. It is soft porn that has no business in the hands of middle-school or elementary school kids, period. So, I stand with Joe and his outrage over this book being on any school's recommended reading list. Now some are claiming he is promoting book banning. Phooey. Show me where he's ever said that. Saying something is age inappropriate is not the same as saying a book should be "banned". Let's drop the hysteria and drama and stop blowing things out of proportion, shall we?
  8. Timothy Myers, Sr.Tuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 9:50 am
    JulieO I love Joe, but his show is only "national" in the most tenuous way possible.
  9. JulieOTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 9:52 am
    point being it isn't just SCV, it's in other parts of the country.
  10. LynnMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
    So if it were up to Mr. Messina, Evolution would not be taught in our schools? Does he agree with this 'Dr.'? Does he agree with Brad Dacus's views, also? IMO, It's Mr. Messina that needs to evolve.
  11. Phil EllisTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 8:21 am
    I guess, in your mind, opposing views should not exist. How intolerant.
  12. JulieOTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 9:37 am
    Why don't you ask him? Instead of making assumptions how about teaching our kids we shouldn't assume things about people and judge and insult them without doing the homework to get the full story? Geez.
  13. ErinMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
    I am SO GLAD you wrote about this. I have HUGE issues with the President of the Hart school board promoting something so backwards and dangerous. This is not just some radio host or some blogger spouting off on a 'controversial' issue- this is a man that votes on what happens to the kids in the Hart district from what they are taught to what books they have access to and more. There is a difference between having an elected official who is a breathe of fresh air and one who blurs the lines between his job as talk show host and school board president. Where does Joe the 'Glenn Beck of SCV' begin and Joe the politician begin? And when he speaks is he speaking as Joe the elected official? Or just Joe the talk show host? If the students and parents listen - what is the take away? I find it irresponsible. If elected you are always representing the voters. If I ran for office and were lucky enough to be elected the FIRST thing I would do is suspend my personal blog and suspend anything public (twitter, etc) or turn it into a proper representation of my role as someone who represents ALL of SCV. THAT is what politicians SHOULD be doing. He can use those venues to push his agenda but it is HIS agenda that he was elected on. Gah. This issue really annoys me. I do NOT feel as though Mr. Messina is repping our kids with his position...he's just trying to further his controversial talk show host hopes and dreams. So far every action speaks to this...when I see an action that doesn't, maybe I will change my mind.
  14. JulieOTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 9:39 am
    "So far every action speaks to this..." Examples, please.
  15. BertaMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
    I listen to Joe Messina’s radio show The Real Side on a regular basis. I don’t find Joe’s ideas weird at all, some of the guests’ ideas or lifestyles I do find strange and/or not to my liking but hearing their views is interesting. Joe is fair and respectful to his guests some of whom I strongly disagree with and others I agree with but the topics are interesting and the discussions lively so I don’t know what you mean when you say “he has strange ideas”.
  16. WinklerWatchMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
    For newcomers or the unenlightened, in addition to being president of the Governing Board of the Wm S Hart Unified School District, the only 7-12 grade school district for the entire Santa Clarita Valley, Messina is president of the Dunamis Group, sponsor of the annual Mayors Prayer Breakfast, whose keynote speaker this year was Brad Dacus, anti-gay activist, promoter of bogus reparative therapy who specializes in suing school districts, especially in California. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntpv7oBHk0U Just so you know, the purpose of Messina's Dunamis Group is to develop, unite and promote Christian businessmen and their Christian businesses. No promotion of Christian businesswomen or Christian businesswomen's Christian businesses. No women. Nada. Zilch. http://www.dunamis.us/index.php?menuID=2
  17. TammyMonday, June 24th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
    Winklerwatch - FYI... When Joe and the other Christian businessmen founded the Dunamis Group, a number of women expressed interest in having a similar group of their own. The founders of the Dunamis Group offered to lend support and assist in the formation of that group. For whatever reason, it either did not continue, or is continuing quietly somewhere in the valley.
  18. JulieOTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 9:50 am
    I thought the invitation of Dacus for the MPB was a poor choice, personally. That said, there's nothing wrong with men gathering to support one another, just like there's nothing wrong with women doing the same. Churches throughout the valley conduct womens and mens Bible study groups so that people can feel safe and comfortable discussing matters that they don't want to discuss in coed settings. Do you invite your spouse along to "girls night" or "boys night"? Are you a Christian woman that has asked to join Dunamis, or have you attempted to start your own sister group? If not, why are you making an issue out of something positive Joe is doing with others of like mind and interest? I'm all for calling out injustice and wrongs when I see them, but I'm also all for civil disagreement and finding common ground and valuing diversity in views. We can't all be the same, nor should we be.
  19. Bill ReynoldsTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 10:27 am
    Gosh, if only we were all atheists then we all could get along, eh..... wow.
  20. Robert GardnerTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 11:51 am
    It always amazes me how intolerant those that preach tolerance can be. Jeff this was clearly an attack and your hypocrisy on tolerance is showing, quick cover it up. Part of understanding people is to listen, explore and get to the details. By ignoring what the other side has to say you are just staying ignorant.
  21. Robert GardnerTuesday, June 25th, 2013 at 11:52 am
    Gotta love the losers that can't stand behind what they say and have to create anonymous aliases online to post negative or hateful or untrue details ... WinklerWatch
  22. WinklerWatchWednesday, June 26th, 2013 at 12:49 am
    Not one untrue statement. Nada. Zilch. Citations were provided for verification.
  23. Paul VakayMonday, July 8th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
    I have recently been introduced to Joe Messina, and found him to be a delightful man. I have very little knowledge of what he talks about on his radio show, but he spent nearly three hours patiently sitting with me and answering all my questions as I inquired on the subject of the local republican party.

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