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First-ever poll for the 25th doesn't look good for Buck McKeon

I've been following local elections for a long time and the one thing that's always been lacking is polling. Sure, you hear rumors of the results of campaigns internal, quasi-scientific polls. And I've received a few calls over the years meant to gauge public support for school bond measures. But what we never see is a real poll, done by a national pollster, made public.

It's a new day for political nerds in the SCV and it brings along some bad news for our Congressman, Buck McKeon, who, in a poll published Friday by Public Policy Polling, is losing to a a generic (unnamed) Democratic opponent and suffering from a 38% approval rating.

Public Policy Polling, based out of North Carolina, is a newer firm that's had an impressive track record lately. It typically works for Democratic candidates and left-leaning organizations. This particular poll was one of twelve released on Friday, commissioned by Moveon.org.

I can't find the margin of error, but identical sample sizes (645) in polls by PPP carried a ±3.8% MoE. Take that and the motivations behind the poll into account, but either way, this can't be good news for Buck McKeon, who had a pretty rough week, but likely great news for McKeon's likely challenger, Lee Rogers, who have already having a much better week

Just as significant as the results is the fact that this poll happened in the first place. It's a strong indication that people are paying attention to the 25th as a battleground district in 2014. McKeon's poor showing here may also put some wind in the sails of district Republicans who are anxious to see him retire.

I've asked around, and no one can seem to remember when, if ever, an election poll was published for a local race. Polls are expensive and local races are rarely competitive. But this time around, we have a repeat challenger who is raising a lot of money and attracting national attention, facing an unpopular 75 year-old incumbent. The recent redistricting was favorable to Democrats in 2012, leaving Buck McKeon as one of the last big-name Republicans in LA, and with it, a big target on his back.

This was a poll of registered voters, not likely voters, which is considered a more accurate measure – but it's too early to get an accurate sense of who is going to vote 13 months from now, anyway. The poll oversampled Democrats and under sampled Republicans slightly (both within the MoE) but it's unclear if or how the numbers were weighted to reflect that.

Interesting snapshots:
  • McKeon's overall job approval is 38%, with 43% disapproving and 20% aren't sure. He only was 57% approval among Republicans and 19% with Democrats. 
  • To the question "If the election for Congress were held today, would you vote to re-elect Republican Buck McKeon, or would you vote for his Democratic opponent?" McKeon gets 44%, and 46% chose "Democratic opponent." 
  • When it's mentioned that McKeon supported the government shutdown (a loaded question, of course, but it's meant to test an argument), McKeon loses 51% to 42%
  • Buck McKeon is stronger with women that most Republicans. On the voting question, the gender gap is within the margin of error.



First-ever poll for the 25th doesn't look good for Buck McKeon

Comments (10)

  1. Timothy Myers, Sr.Monday, October 14th, 2013 at 8:55 am
    The real use for this poll is to provide Republican notables with ammunition to talk the Congressman into announcing his retirement, and soon, to give another Republican candidate time to get going. I agree that in the 17 years I followed SCV politics no real poll has actually been done. There have been a lot of "fake" polls gossiped about, most famously the Bob Haueter "poll" that showed Patricia McKeon coming first in the jungle primary and Scott Wilk finishing third and perhaps fourth. He told that tale to a lot of folk and rumors circulated that Buck actually believed the poll had really been done.
  2. Scott WilkMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
    I know of only one legitimate poll that was conducted last year during the 38th AD Primary. The poll was done 3 months prior to Election Day (so it was driven by Name ID and party registration). The poll showed Paul Strickland at 21% (He was dominate in Ventura County because voters believed he was Tony Strickland); the Dem at 19%; Mrs. McKeon at 12% and me at 8%. Personally, I found the polling results encouraging since only two of us were going to have the resources to compete. I heard rumors that Bob Haueter was touting a tracking poll about 10 days out that showed Mrs. McKeon at 28% and me at 12%. Looking at election results the numbers from the absentee ballot universe and Election Day were very similar. Three weeks out I was very comfortable where our campaign was positioned and on Election Day (without the benefit of polling) I predicted to Vanessa we would win by 10 points (it ended up be 9.9). So either Mr. Haueter's pollster was wrong, or there never was a poll. Based upon campaign finance reports, it appears a professional poll was never conducted. The campaign could have internally done a guerilla poll to try to get a sense of where the campaigns stood. My guess is Mr. Haueter was "spinning" in order to generate a band-wagon effect for boss' spouse.
  3. Leon WordenMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
    OK, Scott, now be honest: Head to head, who wins -- You or Vanessa? :)
  4. Scott WilkMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
    It wouldn't even be close...
  5. Leon WordenMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
    good answer :)
  6. Scott WilkMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    And true!
  7. Leon WordenMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 9:55 am
    This is not at all atypical. It's easier to lose to an unnamed ideal. There's always something to dislike about an actual person. Buck would probably win in a head-to-head contest against any of his actual challengers. He always has and in this district, as currently configured, probably always will.
  8. ELViejoMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 10:45 am
    El Viejo sez: There's nothing like denial to make one feel better, especially when reality macks one in the face after all these years. Denial is also a valuable tool when changing demographics is concerned. But why bother?
  9. Leon WordenMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
    Every 2 years I hear about "changing demographics" and nothing ever changes on election day.
  10. Coastal SageMonday, October 14th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
    My spouse, the "maven" at explaining the differences between the polling techniques of the various well known polsters says PPP trends Republican and that in Republican vs. Democrat races tends to overstate where the Republican candidate stands. So if a more neutral polling company looked at the California 25th, the spread between Congressman McKeon and a theoretical Democrat opponent might even be greater. The reality is that if John Boehner stays as Speaker of the House, Congressman McKeon probably will have the opportunity to continue as Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. If Speaker Boehner is deposed after the budget/debt ceiling imbroglio, it's likely that the new Speaker and new Majority Leader will want to give that Chairmanship to one of their close supporters. If tradition is a predicter of action, Speaker Boehner's opponents on the Republican side of the House will wait until after the budget/debt ceiling issue is settled and then marshal their forces for a vote on the issue of taking away the Speakership. Congressman McKeon has been very attentive to the needs of defense contractors in a very public way. He has contacts and friendships far more inclusive that a run-of-the-mill retired Republican congressman. If he loses his Chairmanship, he might even realize that he could make more money as a defense contractor's lobbyist than he makes from his Congressional salary. Defense contractors and other big businesses need at least two kinds of lobbyists, young "brains" to focus on the technicalities of legislation, and "good ole boys" who are well liked and have lots of contacts in the right Congressional offices. As everyone knows, there is an army of former Congressmen and Senators working the Hill as honored alumni. So if Congressman McKeon decides to retire, he will probably be in for a soft landing.

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