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Chiquita Canyon in Perspective: Building America's Largest Landfills

Today we're honored to share this in-depth look at Chiquita Landfill in the perspective of the nation's largest landfills, from Val Verde resident Sara Sage. -MD
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Photo taken by Val Verde resident during a tour of Chiquita Canyon Landfill. 
Reproduced with permission from Erica Larsen-Dockray ©2014
For over a decade, Apex Landfill in Las Vegas and Puente Hills Landfill in Southern California were back-and-forth contenders for the title of ‘Nation’s Largest Landfill.’ At some point, Puente Hills was recognized as the largest. Operated by Los Angeles County, Puente Hills became a reliable repository for much of Los Angeles’ refuse, accepting a motley category of unwanted items such as outdated couches, empty hair-coloring bottles, construction debris, shredded automobiles and expired cheese. Puente Hills’ management asserted that they adhered to their “Good Neighbor Policy” and that they were “helping neighbors, and the environment in tons of ways.” Outside of the hackneyed, groan-worthy pun, their motto seems trite, if only for the scope of the project. Residents near the Nation’s largest landfill regularly complained of odors, traffic, noise and negative environmental, health and economic effects while it was open. They were mostly ignored.
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“Puente Hills Landfill,” by Britta Gustafson, © Licensed under Creative Commons, Wikipedia.
On October 31, 2013, the Puente Hills Landfill closed for good. A couple of years before its agreed-upon closing date, the San Gabriel Valley of Governments petitioned to keep it open for another 10 years. Communities nearby fought hard and eventually won. Despite their victory, residents near Puente Hills will continue to deal with issues such as fugitive gases and other health and environmental issues for decades and generations to follow. In fact, closed landfills still carry significant risks of spontaneous explosion and unhealthful, carcinogenic gasses.
With the landfill’s closing, it is likely that the County is looking for another Puente Hills within its boundaries and is eyeing Chiquita Canyon Landfill for that purpose. It is not widely known that many projects such as the LAX Specific Plan Amendment Study, the Boyle Heights Mixed-Use Community Project, and the 100 West Walnut Project in Pasadena (City of Pasadena, “100 West Walnut Planned Development: Environmental Impact Analysis,” SCH No. 2013071018, Page IV.L.3-8, June 2014) cite that their waste needs could be accommodated by Chiquita Canyon Landfill’s pending expansion in their planning documents. Newhall Ranch’s Landmark Village relies on Chiquita’s remaining capacity and refers to the planned Chiquita Canyon Master Plan Revision in a footnote in 2011. Since many County projects have moved forward based on the assumption that Chiquita Canyon Landfill will succeed in obtaining an expansion permit, in effect, it seems that a decision has already been made – and without the bother of the CEQA/EIR process, or a hearing with the Board of Supervisors.
Another conflict in this permitting practice is that homes in the Newhall Ranch project will be built right up against the landfill, closer than any home in Val Verde. The expansion could provide a way for those homes to be built – and paradoxically endanger the people who will reside there.
So what happens statistically if you live near a landfill? Well, the results from multiple peer-reviewed studies are worrisome, indicating increased risks of decreased immune system function, asthma, leukemia, liver cancer, kidney cancer, pancreatic cancer, bladder cancer and birth defects. Despite health complaints by Val Verdeans and not a single air quality monitor in the town of Val Verde, residents are dismissed and lectured frequently. We are aggressively invited to tour Chiquita so that we can witness first-hand the Disneyland-of-All-Landfills over the hill.
In practice, people have little to no recourse to mitigate health concerns after a landfill is permitted and approved per County, State and Federal law. It is even harder to impose regulations on Chiquita, since it is owned by a publically-traded corporate entity and not by the County. The company does not provide an air monitoring program to the town of Val Verde, nor is it required to per County regulations. Many people ask why Val Verde does not use the mitigation money to pay for an off-site air quality monitoring program; the fact is that the mitigation contract with Chiquita Canyon bars the town from using the money for any purpose that is potentially damaging to the landfill.
According to the current Conditional Use Permit at Chiquita, the small community of Val Verde could potentially host 1.56 million tons of trash per year. With increased waste comes increased risk. Ideally, there should be stringent and fair policies to alleviate the effects of living near landfills, especially when we impose massive financial, safety and health risks on nearby residents. Is it possible for a municipality to effectively deal with its waste while aggressively protecting the well-being of all of its citizens?
Some countries such as Sweden and Austria send a miniscule percentage of their refuse to landfills: 1% and < 1%, respectively. Compare that to the United States where we send 69% of our total waste to landfills, well above the EU average of 38%. I will spare readers a speech about what we all can do to help. We all know how we can reduce waste and our impact on the environment – but we don’t. At least not enough.
When you ask communities to support and host landfills, you are not only asking them to bear the consequential risks of accepting waste that they did not generate, you are also asking them to accept the burden of bad policy. When residents complain loudly and municipalities run out of places to bury trash, it is time to reevaluate how we change our legacy of irresponsibility and our lack of problem solving.
Just South of the Newhall Pass is Sunshine Canyon Landfill, one of the largest in the State of California. Sunshine Canyon recites the good-neighbor rhetoric and even distributes a quarterly publication called Neighbor-to-Neighbor. Many years ago when the City of Santa Clarita was fighting a potential landfill in Elsmere Canyon, the City agreed that they had too many good neighbors. Many were concerned that Santa Clarita Valley would be known as “The Valley of the Dumps.” Today, the Santa Clarita Valley could be called, “The Valley Between the Dumps,” as it fills in the 10-mile space between the two of the State’s largest landfills.
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Today, Apex Landfill in Las Vegas holds the title of the largest operating landfill in America. They accept waste at the rate of approximately 10,500 tons per day, a staggering amount. So, what is the scope of the expansion proposal for Chiquita Canyon? Chiquita Canyon Landfill proposes to expand their footprint by 40%, and most significantly, double daily tonnage to 12,000 tons per day – 1,500 tons more per-day than Apex Landfill accepts, the largest landfill in the nation.
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Newhall Ranch is the largest-ever proposed development in the history of Los Angeles and it will sit on the lap of possibly the largest landfill in the country. By contrast, Apex Landfill is located in a remote, uninhabited area. In 1997, when Chiquita was granted their last expansion, the area was relatively rural. Today there are more neighborhoods, commercial and mixed-use buildings, including the popular K-12 charter school SCVi – which will be approximately one mile from the landfill if the expansion is approved. The landfill in Val Verde is rural no more.
We should question the wisdom of governmental policies and practices that readily mix heavy industry such as landfills with residential zoning. Home is supposed to be a place where we are safe and protected. Instead of discrediting the dissenting residents who live near landfills, value their insight and use it to improve industry and to reexamine governmental policies. Spare them the good-neighbor rhetoric and speak to them with concern and respect. Most importantly, make sure that the well-being of citizens is a priority above the financial interests of big business as we build the largest landfills in America.



Chiquita Canyon in Perspective: Building America's Largest Landfills

Comments (76)

  1. CastaicClayTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
    What about "New Condition #46" from page 12 of the 27 page pdf of the 1997 expansion approval, signed by all parties? It states that the "total capacity shall be 23 million tons. Landfill closure shall occur when this capacity is reached or by November 24, 2019, whichever occurs first."
  2. Greg KimuraTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 2:16 pm
    I believe that things would be different if Chiquita Canyon Landfill would've done things to help assist the residents with their odor and health complaints over the years. Instead, the reps would come to Val Verde and insult the residents by saying the odor is from their trash cans, dead animals, flowers and septic tanks. The smell from a landfill is not the same as from a sewer system or septic tank. Ditto for the other items that the landfill claims is not coming from the landfill. Just recently, the landfill has had Dave Bossert write columns for them. In these columns, they have not stopped their false claims and have even accelerated their propaganda. If a business is honest and ethical, they wouldn't resort to this type of dirty fighting.
  3. AbbyNormalTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 4:14 pm
    " As it fills in the 10-mile space between the two of the State’s largest landfills, not only could the Santa Clarita Valley could be called, “The Valley Between the Dumps,” but when the Cemex mine opens, and when Newhall Ranch, the largest-ever proposed development in the history of Los Angeles is built and the Billboard Overlay Zones are filled in, the Santa Clarita Valley could be known as the Digitally Lit, Gridlock Strangled, Particulate Matter Choked, Valley Between the Dumps". Wake up Santa Clarita! Register to vote, then vote. Always. Start going to your City Council, Town Council, Board of Supervisors and Planning Commission meetings. Start writing letters, sending emails and calling Antonovich, Wilk, McKeon, Pavley, Fox, and the 5 Santa Clarita City Council members.
  4. Greg KimuraTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 4:51 pm
    I wanted to add a couple things: 1. The permit the landfill has does not allow them to accept sludge. There is also a contract with Val Verde which also says no sludge. Not only did the landfill bid on accepting sludge, but they won a bid and took in 3,600 tons of sludge. This sludge is still in the landfill and our community wants them to remove it. To add insult to injury, the landfill tried to fool the community by changing the words from sludge to solid and semi solid waste on the invoice. Luckily we didn't fall for their trick. 2. The landfill claims to have test results on what is in the sludge. Toland Landfill in Santa Paula was accepting the sludge, until the test results showed that they could no longer accept it. The same sludge was then sent to Chiquita Canyon Landfill and the community is concerned about what is in the sludge. They admitted to testing the sludge, however they refuse to give us the test results. I don't approve of their tactics. Bid on accepting banned sludge, win the bid and take it into the landfill. Get caught and deny until the community provides proof. Then change the name on the invoice in an attempt to fool the residents. When pinned down, admit you took in the sludge, admit that you have test results on the sludge, but refuse to give the results to the community. This is not how a "good neighbor" acts.
  5. JustWonderingTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
    Quick question: So the landfill accepted sludge. And Mr. Musella has stated that there are different definitions of sludge. But regardless of how he defines "sludge," the contract specifically states no sludge, not specific sludge, or a particular kind of sludge, but NO SLUDGE, none. Not "sludge as defined by John Musella." Isn't that a breach of contract?
  6. Greg KimuraTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:00 pm
    You are correct. It is a breach of contract.
  7. JustwonderingTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:02 pm
    Then I guess what I'm confused about is how are they still operating if they've been in breach of contract? What ever happened to the air monitors? Did the landfill ever return them? Isn't that ALSO in the contract?
  8. JustWonderingTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:06 pm
    Also, one last thing. I live on Jackson, and own a large plot of land and I've had several visits from people claiming to be from CCL offering to buy my home at "80%" of the value. They came back and told me that the value would only go down, and to sell early. "Beat your neighbors to it." Is that legal? And could these people ever buy my land by force?
  9. SaraSageTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:25 pm
    Yes, Justwondering, it is in the contract. The Conditional Use Permit states in Condition 34: "Permittee shall purchase a maximum of five combustible gas monitors, at least one of which is able to be used outdoors, an organic vapor analyzer, similar to the monitors used in structures at the Chiquita Canyon Landfill, and provide the same to the Community Advisory Committee for placement in locations of concern to the community, as determined by the Committee." The location of the monitors is not known. Can you tell me when the supposed landfill reps approached you about purchasing your home?
  10. JustWonderingTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
    The first time was early this year, maybe February? And the second time I remember was early September of this year. They came by in a dark truck, in suits. I lost the card they gave me. I am confined to my home so I didn't know too much of what was happening outside. I have a water well that goes down several hundred feet and have considered having it tested.
  11. SaraSageTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:43 pm
    Are you on NextDoor? Would you send me a message there?
  12. JustWonderingTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:46 pm
    I'm on Jackson, nextdoor to who?
  13. Bonnie NikolaiTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
    I would definitely have your well water tested for 80+ chemicals that could be leaching out of the landfill. As far as I know, no one else has been approached about selling to the landfill. This does not sit well with me at all. I do not think it's a coincidence you have a well and they are trying to buy your land. I hope you told those suits where to go, because 80% is a joke. There are many residents in Val Verde who would love to help you.
  14. SaraSageTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
    Yes, Justwondering, it is in the contract. The Conditional Use Permit states in Condition 34: "Permittee shall purchase a maximum of five combustible gas monitors, at least one of which is able to be used outdoors, an organic vapor analyzer, similar to the monitors used in structures at the Chiquita Canyon Landfill, and provide the same to the Community Advisory Committee for placement in locations of concern to the community, as determined by the Committee." The location of the monitors is not known.
  15. Greg KimuraTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:31 pm
    The acceptance of sludge is a violation of their permit and also a breach of the contract with Val Verde. The County issued a Notice of Violation on their permit. They stopped taking in the sludge, which was acceptable to the County. The breach of contract is with the VVCA. The County has made it clear that our contract is a private matter. We are on our own on this one.
  16. JustWonderingTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
    I am aware that you cannot speak of what happens in the town meetings. So I'll post this question to anyone that can answer: has Val Verde considered a civil suit for the breach in contract?
  17. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:37 pm
    JustWondering, do you know of one that will take it on contingency? We don't have the money to hire and attorney.
  18. JustWonderingWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:44 pm
    I have considered looking for environmental lawyers. As you know Val Verde and more specifically the hills near my home and around Chiquita Canyon are home to an two endangered species. A kind of roadrunner and the least bell Vireo. They are protected by the government and disturbing their habitats is a federal crime. If the soil is being contaminated, those birds are eating contaminated worms and will get sick. Especially if there is selenium in the soil. Sick birds spread disease. Ever heard of Avian Flu? Even building near these birds could drive them away or hurt their breeding. That is a disturbance, and that is illegal.
  19. SheffsTuesday, September 30th, 2014 at 5:55 pm
    I only know of "eminent domain". I think that can only be used by government (city, county, state, federal), not by individual businesses. If I am wrong, please let me know and Justwondering too.
  20. Steven WatanabeWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 1:18 pm
    You are correct, "eminent domain" can only be used by the government. Individual businesses can not exercise that right.
  21. CastaicClayWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 11:36 am
    CLWA used "eminent domain" to take over Valencia Water Co. so I would not be to sure about private business using it again out here in the wild west where money talks and citizens are told to deal with it.
  22. Peace WalkerWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 1:32 pm
    Well they already took our air and our soil, our homes are probably next. The landfill will destroy our values and then they'll come in an buy us out by force. These people don't have money to pay for air monitoring but they have money to pay for propaganda, to buy town councils(Yeah you, Flo) and pay for people like Vanessa Brookman to live in our town and spy on us.
  23. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 1:42 pm
    U say this like we have another option. SCV is expanding. It would be different if it was in the middle of Valencia but it's not, it's on the outskirt of town, it only affects 2,000 people! That's a smal number for the sake of the rest of Santa Clarita. Sometimes we have to sacrifice and it's not fair I kno! I have worked for WM for several years and none of us want to hurt Val Verde but you people MUST understand: 2000 people is nothing compared to the population of west ranch alone. The dump has to go somewhere. If you don't like it, sell your homes before the prop. values go down anymore! The CCL and WM employs something like 75% of Val Verde. You don't mention that do you? HOW ABOUT THIS: if the people of Val Verde don't want to contribute, let them get nothing. Don't even pick up their trash so they can see how important the CCL is. This isn't about VV versus the CCL anymore, this is VV vs Castaic. CCL is neutral and just want to continue operating properly. The sludge was a mistake, and CCL was cited for it. What more do you want? If the county doesn't care why should anyone else?
  24. CastaicClayWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 1:48 pm
    I just want them to live up to agreement they made in 1997. Closed by 2019 or 23 million tons. As simple as that.
  25. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 1:51 pm
    It doesn't work that way! Life is unfair, people get screwed. At least we bought your dinner first.
  26. CastaicClayWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:05 pm
    "The CCL and WM employs something like 75% of Val Verde." Back up your statement with proof please. What dinner are you talking about? I am missing something. It's the people that get screwed? Why not the company?
  27. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:11 pm
    CCL makes contributions to Various government organizations. The Wilk campaign alone is dependent on their contributions and people like Scott Wilk see the importance of CCL and he doesn't even live near it. Do some research before you making claims.
  28. WowWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 1:53 pm
    That's such a bull**** answer. Yeah "let Hitler take Poland! It's only a few people for the sake of the rest of Europe."
  29. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:02 pm
    Don't compare CCL to the Germans please. and imagine all the lives we would have saved if we had just given him Poland? The Germans would have been our allies instead of our enemies.
  30. WOWWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:06 pm
    You do realize the League of Nations DID let Hitler take Poland, right? You need a serious history lesson. And I didn't compare the CCL to "The Germans" I compared CCL to THE NAZIS.
  31. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:14 pm
    Stop making this about David v Goliath. You're wrong. WRONG. I think you meant The UNITED NATIONS, not the justice league or whatever you said. You are clearly the one in need of a history lesion. And the US never would let Hitler invade Poland. Again, you people are obviously not capable of making decisions for yourself if you can't even understand history.
  32. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:33 pm
    Look I'm so sorry. I just looked up the Nazi invasion of Poland and you were right. Your comparison is clear and I'm the one who looks like a fool.
  33. SaraSageWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:28 pm
    Off-topic comment forthcoming: :) The League of Nations was formed at the end of WWI, during the Treaty of Versailles. It was originally part of Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points. Before the League was proposed by Wilson, many other prominent leaders of the world advocated for a League of Nations. The League fell apart at the beginning of WWII. Various nations within the League left, and it dissolved somewhere around 1933. Most of all, the League had not teeth and one of their missions was disarmament. Obviously, not a popular or effective strategy to fight the rise of Nazism. Hopefully, I am not coming across as snarky, instead of coming across as an insufferable know-it-all -- which is fair to say. ;) Thank you for your comments, Dana. Your insight and opinions are important and very valuable in this discussion. The situation is complex and hearing from different community members helps me and others to understand the attitudes of the community as a whole.
  34. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:31 pm
    Yeah I felt like a jerk when I looked it up.
  35. SaraSageWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:35 pm
    Lol. You're good.
  36. Live OakWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:59 pm
    Dana, while I can almost...almost, sympathize with the "do your part for your community" line, I'd argue that Val Verde's part is done. Val Verde has borne the burden for more than 40 years. Another 20, 30, 100 years is untenable. Valencia, West Ranch, Stevenson Ranch, Castaic is more than welcome to host the landfill. You also refuse or fail to realize that less than 20% of garbage is coming from SCV. Does your community outreach really stretch as far as Disneyland, LAX, Santa Monica, Burbank, ad nauseaum, ad infinitum? Also, as you state yourself, SCV is growing. This little rural outskirt, is looking growing closer and closer to suburbia everyday.
  37. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:09 pm
    I am not the city planner okay? I work in accounting. Geez. Are you aware that at one point CCL had considered purchasing the land where Stevenson Ranch and West Ranch sit now? With intentions of selling to Sunshine Canyon? If you did your research you'd know that we chose not to ruin the then blossoming Santa Clarita Valley and instead put our focus elsewhere where the health risk would be the lowest to the least amount of people. You have CCL to thank for that, otherwise right now maybe you'd be living in Sunshine Canyon Valley and Landfill. CCL is the reason there isn't trashing piling up in the streets. And that statistic of 20% is false. A good 20% of the waste comes from VAL VERDE ALONE.
  38. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:13 pm
    I've already said too much. Just understand that we never meant to hurt anyone. Air pollution is unavoidable, cancer rates are unavoidable. It's a side effect of the world we live in. I don't want anyone sick certainly not the kids of Live Oak. A large contribution will be made to the Newhall Ranch community, they will have all the appropriate methane monitoring devices to ensure their safety and there will be a program for testing residents of Newhall Ranch for asthmatic and other related side effects. We are keeping our side of the street clean. Val Verde should honor their agreement.
  39. Bonnie NikolaiWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:32 pm
    You "work" for "WM" as in Waste Management? CCL is owned by Waste Connections. Waste Management is a whole other corporation. So I'm a little confused. Who do you work for: Waste Management or Waste Connections. You've also said in other statements that we should take the money and start over. Which would be awesome... If Waste Connections would pay every homeowner a million for their homes and for the damage they've possibly done to our bodies. No one has offered me any money. Because I'll be frank: If they offered me a million, I'd probably take it and run the heck out of the Santa Clarita Valley. Because between CCL, Sunshine and Bermite, this place is a pollution hot spot. Also, another concern is the 20,000 homes they're building practically on top of the landfill. You say it only affects 2,000 people? What about the 40,000+ that will be living in the same conditions or worse within 10 years?
  40. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 11:40 am
    Castaic Clay................I did not know that. thank you for the information
  41. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:26 pm
    WOW Dana, you sound just like the former president of the Val Verde Community Advisory Committee, who left Val Verde and has no "vested" interest in our little town.
  42. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 2:30 pm
    Sheffs, I admit I probably deserve that and I am feeling like a completely jerk after reading my comments. I got heated. But I'm not unsympathetic to your plight. I'm aware of the situation with Mrs. Brookman and if you are comparing me to her I've obviously over stepped my bounds. I apologize to you. But people like WOW who compare CCL to Germans, make up facts: they make Val Verde look worse than Vanessa did.
  43. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:02 pm
    Now the financial situation. Why does Castaic deserve a slice of the pie? Well for starters when people start to love out of Val Verde, they'll move to Castaic, bringing with them crime and poverty. The money from CBFC could be considered a type of "Crime" insurance. If we were building a Nuclear Reactor in Castaic I'm sure Val Verde would want some of that money too. So don't act like Castaic is being selfish.
  44. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:12 pm
    Dana, in my opinion, Castaic is not listening to us telling them, don't do it, it isn't worth the money. They are only seeing the money. As for us bringing "crime and poverty", that is so biased. You need to read the crime reports in the papers and online, we actually have less crime that other parts of the Santa Clarita Valley.
  45. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:18 pm
    Look at Antelope Valley and the cesspool it became when the intercity people flocked there. You honestly want that for castaic/scv? Castaic has heard you! It's not that you aren't being heard. It's that the issue is bigger than Val Verde now. The fate of one town can't be the undoing of the rest of SoCal.
  46. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:22 pm
    I don't speak for or represent CCL or WM in anyway. I'm here as a concerned citizen. I live in Castaic and my child goes to SCVi. I want her to have the same opportunities Val Verde have. My kids don't get scholarship funds and they breathe the same air. Is that fair?
  47. Bonnie NikolaiWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:45 pm
    My kid's scholarship possibility won't mean a dang thing if she dies from an asthma attack during childhood. Asthma is a serious condition. Do you know what I feel when my child is hooked up to a nebulizer because she caught a cold at school? No, you wouldn't know. I hope you never know that fear when your child's lips turn blue and you pray to God to not let her stop breathing before her medicine starts working. No one's money is worth my child's life being in jeopardy. No one's. People with asthma are more likely to die from the flu. So because someone needs a place to put their trash my child very well could die? This isn't a war and it's not like there's a lack of available land north of us...
  48. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:30 pm
    Dana, are you sure you really want to say that to sacrifice us (or to make Val Verde residents severely ill and die) for the better of you (Castaic) is ok? And who is the "we" you talk about? You make it sound like you could pick me out in the grocery store in a heart beat just because of where I live. Stereotyping gets allot of people in trouble, I have not seen one benefit of the CBFC monies, so I really don't think you know about "us" at all. Getting money from the CCL will not give you better air. This is what we have been trying to tell "you". The money is not worth your health and your life.
  49. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:35 pm
    You haven't seen any of the money? Really? You think Vanessa BROKEman lived there for free? I work for WM and I would LOVE to shut down the dump. There I called it a dump. I can't even post under my real name(now I really sound like Vanessa, oy vey) because I can lose my job. WM is a good company. CCL are the corrupted ones. But in cities with corruption you have to have to play ball or you won't last. It's not right but it's life.
  50. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:39 pm
    No. I don't want to sacrifice anyone. I didn't mean it that way. And if the CATC want it so bad, they should move into Val Verde for the remainder of their term, if they honestly don't believe there is any harm. Do you know of a company named People Hunter? Are you aware that CCL makes contributions to them? And that one of the owners of that company sits on CATC?
  51. Vanessa BrookmanThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 1:33 pm
    I'm sorry... WHO are you? and what is it you're saying here? Vanessa Brokeman? what does that even mean? You all are nuts and seemingly have nothing better to do other than talk about me and if your Susie... you just suspect everyone IS me - get a life.
  52. SheffsThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 1:41 pm
    Where did you come up with me being anything other than Sheffs, which I clarified a long time ago is me. And who suggested Dana was you Vanessa?
  53. Vanessa BrookmanThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 1:52 pm
    Susie, you mis-read (or misinterpreted what I said) - I know who you are, I'm asking who Dana (or Justine L.) is. She's all over the place here and talks as if she knows me... I want to know what the Brokeman comment means and if I lived there for free??? What does THAT mean? None of "her" ramblings make sense and she can't seem to decide WHO she works for. As for you, I was saying that you think anyone and everyone IS me. That's the only response I will give.
  54. SheffsThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 1:56 pm
    What do you care? I don't not think you are out there everywhere i go, write,or anything else for that matter. You moved, and I am glad you did, stay gone please and quit trying to cause problems and drama.
  55. Vanessa BrookmanThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 5:05 pm
    then stop using my name... stop assuming other people are me - oh, and I'll come and go as I please.
  56. WOWThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 2:01 pm
    You're so easy to draw out of your nest! Someone starts talking about the truth and here comes Vanessa to cover it up.
  57. WowThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 1:54 pm
    Says the woman who admitted to using an alias to deceive the people of Val Verde.... And the same woman who accidentally posted as one of her aliases while trying to deny using an alias...
  58. Vanessa BrookmanThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 5:03 pm
    You're so full of crap! You should look up the word slanderous... it's all being documented.
  59. SheffsThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 5:16 pm
    per the Merriam-Webster Dictionary copyright 1998 Slander - a false report maliciously uttered and tending to injure the reputation of a person. Libel - a spoken or written statement or a representation that gives an unjustly unfavorable impression of a person or a thing.
  60. WowThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 5:29 pm
    thanks Sheffs. Vanessa, how is any of that slanderous? It's all true and DOCUMENTED.
  61. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:31 pm
    I have a close friend in Val Verde, our girls play together. I would never want to see them sick. But we have to face facts. How long, even if we stop the expansion, until the soil becomes unlivable or toxic? It's inevitable. It's too late as it is. Stop trying to rebuild Chernobyl and let's move on. Let's work together and start new. Take the money and rebuild. I am a resident of castaic. I am opposed to the landfill, it is a terrible idea. But it's the only one we have left. Do you really want to see yeah piling up on the streets when the garbage men get the notice that they will lose their jobs? They'll quit, riot, strike, who will pick up the trash then? Well it better be the citizens of Val Verde because my family for sure as hell won't be doing it.
  62. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:44 pm
    Sheffs. I can't say more, I'm actually really worried I've said something that can endanger me. If you want to talk more I'll post my email. But only for civil conversation.
  63. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:47 pm
    The landfill already is toxic and those closest to it do find it unlivable at times. There are other landfills in the area, Toland in Ventura County, Antelope Valley has another San Bernadino County has one. Toland refused the sludge from Santa Barbara because it was full of aresenic. Chiquita took it against the conditional use permit they have. CCL really doesn't care about people, they are more interested in profit. Sorry I believe David can knock Goliath down to his knees if not completely to the ground.The people fighting against the expansion are doing this for the better of all people living in the area of CCL not just Val Verde! It is for the lives around the landfill/dump that will be made worse if it expands and continues to follow their current activities, breaking the law until they are caught. As for Vanessa, she lives for herself. How she made money, I don't know. I have my own personal differences with her that began when she moved to Val Verde. I am not upset that she is gone. In fact I toasted her packing up, blatantly. If you don't think this is civil, then I don't know how to be civil.
  64. Sheffs.Wednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:57 pm
    Sheffs please, I believe you are being much kinder to me than I deserve. Just look into the information I gave you. CATC members, how many own businesses? How many have received "donations" from CCL? The answer rhymes with "gall most ball of them." It just takes a little digging. You'll find proof that CCL practically owns CATC. Who pays for their meetings? Sponsors their events? You're right, CCL accepts trash from other towns and you don't see them throwing fundraisers for them. Something is not right. When was the last time CCL came to Val Verde and threw a party for the neighborhood? Sponsored a community event? Hosted a fundraiser for Val Verde Boys and Girls Club? They know they can't buy you. So they're trying to buy everyone around you. I'm starting t see your argument. My daughter wants to know why her friends in live oak aren't allowed at our home. Because their parents call me the enemy. And I'm tired of being your enemy.
  65. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:05 pm
    So this is what I am hearing through our "converstaion": The health of 2,000 doesn't matter when you put things in perspective. If people from Val Verde move because of the landfill, there will be an exodus of poor criminals to Castaic Therefore, people in Val Verde are poor and are criminals Val Verdeans (all 2,000 of us) should move instead of fighting the landfill Somehow, people from Val Verde will consider moving to Castaic We live in a place that is special to all of us. We do not have a cookie cutter community and that is why we love it. You cannot tell 2,000 residents to move because the County says that there is no option. We have done more than our fair share and there ARE other options. Did you read the article? This will be probably the largest landfill in the United States and it will be here there for hundreds of years. Newhall Ranch will be built there, right next to the landfill. That means more than 2,000 people will be affected. Not only that, there are other neighborhoods like Live Oak and Hasley Hills who are already close to the landfill and the landfill is moving in their direction. I don't want any resident to get ill or die because of the landfill, that is what is wanted at the end of this whole thing. I know the CCL donates" to many politicians....don't even get me started on that! I am sorry your neighbors see you as the enemy for having an opinion/stand on this subject.
  66. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:14 pm
    Look I'm sorry! I didn't mean it that way. It didn't hit me until I started thinking about the kids. Okay? I'm sorry. I'm with you. I want it shut down. I don't want it to operate in accordance to permit of use. I want CCL GONE. Next time you to to CATC ask the board how many of them own PeopleHunter.com, and ask how much money the CCL have contributed to them. It is a conflict of interest and maybe we can get someone who isn't a corrupt alcoholic up there. I'm speaking in reference to one man, whom I go to certain "dependency meetings" with. He may or not have a woman's name, and he is one of three owners of PEOPLEHUNTER.com and accepting donations from the CCL to vote their way.
  67. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:20 pm
    OK, apology accepted. Kids do make us get emotional, and as many who know me, my animals make me emotional too. If you really want CCL gone......email me Sheffs@pacbell.net . I know all about certain individuals on the CATC, no need to go further. Stay calm, breathe deep.....now relax for the rest of the day and love your family.
  68. Vanessa BrookmanThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 1:42 pm
    Beyond deplorable... IDK who you are Dana, but you are as classless as most of the others here.
  69. SheffsThursday, October 2nd, 2014 at 1:47 pm
    Seriously, Vanessa, you are sticking your nose into something that doesn't involve you? And we don't have a life? Now that is priceless!
  70. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:08 pm
    Funny how you were able to post this under my screen name....hmmmmm makes me wonder "Sheffs. says: Wednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 3:57 pm Sheffs please, I believe you are being much kinder to me than I deserve. Just look into the information I gave you. CATC members, how many own businesses? How many have received "donations" from CCL? The answer rhymes with "gall most ball of them." It just takes a little digging. You'll find proof that CCL practically owns CATC. Who pays for their meetings? Sponsors their events? You're right, CCL accepts trash from other towns and you don't see them throwing fundraisers for them. Something is not right. When was the last time CCL came to Val Verde and threw a party for the neighborhood? Sponsored a community event? Hosted a fundraiser for Val Verde Boys and Girls Club? They know they can't buy you. So they're trying to buy everyone around you. I'm starting t see your argument. My daughter wants to know why her friends in live oak aren't allowed at our home. Because their parents call me the enemy. And I'm tired of being your enemy."
  71. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:15 pm
    That was unintentional. I thought I was writing like this "Sheffs, Blah blah..." I didn't realize where with typed. For the record everyone that wasn't Sheffs that was me. Accident.
  72. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    I'm trying to help... Is this how you treat people when they surrender? Surrender: to join the winning side.
  73. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:17 pm
    This was my comment and I accidentally typed SHEFFS at the top, FOR THE RECORD it wasn't Sheffs who said it. Sheffs please, I believe you are being much kinder to me than I deserve. Just look into the information I gave you. CATC members, how many own businesses? How many have received "donations" from CCL? The answer rhymes with "gall most ball of them." It just takes a little digging. You'll find proof that CCL practically owns CATC. Who pays for their meetings? Sponsors their events? You're right, CCL accepts trash from other towns and you don't see them throwing fundraisers for them. Something is not right. When was the last time CCL came to Val Verde and threw a party for the neighborhood? Sponsored a community event? Hosted a fundraiser for Val Verde Boys and Girls Club? They know they can't buy you. So they're trying to buy everyone around you. I'm starting t see your argument. My daughter wants to know why her friends in live oak aren't allowed at our home. Because their parents call me the enemy. And I'm tired of being your enemy."
  74. SheffsWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:27 pm
    OK, apology accepted. Kids do make us get emotional, and as many who know me, my animals make me emotional too. If you really want CCL gone......email me Sheffs@pacbell.net . I know all about certain individuals on the CATC, no need to go further. Stay calm, breathe deep.....now relax for the rest of the day and love your family.
  75. DanaWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:35 pm
    Okay, last post. I posted as "Dana," it's our dog's name. I'm Justine L., I work for Waste Management. I live in Castaic and I'm tired of lying. I DO NOT support the landfill. And I believe the CCL committing crimes against the people of Castaic AND Val Verde.
  76. Bonnie NikolaiWednesday, October 1st, 2014 at 4:49 pm
    You don't work for CCL then. You work for Waste Management who runs the Palmdale landfill and has done a pretty good job as far as I know of making sure people aren't suffering for their business. Totally different corporation, totally different business practices. Totally different city that actually enforces the contracts they made with Waste Management. Because we're unincorporated LA county and not in a city, we're on our own.

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