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Crisis Management 101 and City Hall

If it sounds like I’m angry at the City of Santa Clarita for its reaction to Sunday night’s “mass casualty” event (and yes, that’s what this was), it’s because I have high expectations of them.

And my high expectations are reasonable. Consider how high they’ve set  the crisis management bar in the past: They won recognition for their rapid response to the 1994 Northridge Earthquake. They were the go-to source for fire news in 2003 and 2007, when massive wildfires threatened Stevenson Ranch and Canyon Country. They’ve coordinated effectively with local, state and national firefighting resources multiple times, letting firefighters make camp at Central Park and speaking with one voice to the media. And in 2007, when a massive semi truck pileup in the tunnel on the 5 freeway resulted in four deaths and the closure of Interstate 5 and the Newhall Pass, an Assistant City manager was there, on scene, coordinating the City’s emergency response and handling public relations. I lived through each of these things and have been proud of how professional, timely, and prepared they were.

But they were obviously not prepared for a situation like Sunday night. “But Jeff, the fireworks show has been held at that location for 15 years, and never once did something like this happen,” you say.

To which I reply that past performance is not an indicator of future performance, one of the cardinal rules of risk management. And when you stuff 25,000 people into a finite area, shoot off fireworks, and leave 50 mph roads open, you have to think of risk management.

Monday morning quarterbacking maybe. But their response since the mass casualty incident has been equally deplorable. They’ve been almost completely silent, caught off-guard and unprepared. There hasn’t been a single statement from City Hall or our elected City Council people, not even a statement of condolence for the victims (apart from a small quote in the Signal). The Sheriff’s Station has been way more forthcoming than City Hall, appearing on camera to local media outlets and talking to the press. But all we get from the City is a sentence or two in The Signal even though this was their fireworks show, their event and their responsibility.

Can you imagine the Mayor of Los Angeles hiding out after something like this? Should we give a pass to our City just because it’s smaller?

It’s a shame, and we’re all going to pay the price when this goes to court and the plaintiffs’ attorney asks City officials what they did before and after the event.

Crisis Management 101 and City Hall

Comments (63)

  1. Kevin D. KorenthalJuly 7, 2010 at 9:06 am
    I’ll add just this; The only thing the Mayor of Los Angeles is good at is showing up at the scene for photo ops so I agree, it would be pretty stark if he didn’t.
  2. SCVsuckzJuly 7, 2010 at 9:35 am
    …and Jeff…you expected that gang of goons on the city council to respond with what…empathy and remorse? this would be the same council where one member proclaimed himself a “proud racist”? really? this would be the same city who has voted buck mckeon in as their representative since about the early 1900′s when he first ran? really? the vic is hispanic…i’ll bet you good money our 22 year old driver is white…i’ll bet you the kid driving his daddy’s durango is white…if a white mother had been killed on that corner this weekend by a hispanic driver you’d have every council member fighting for print space in their personalized newspaper-the Signal. this is so simple…keep our mouths shut…all will settle down soon…the insurance companies will pay out and we’ll send one of our highly respectable “clean up” legal guys/gals in to pay off the difference to keep all the families silenced. the fall out from this is going to be tremendous and not just with respect to the financial repercussions, but also the emotional repercussions to this community…there were several families in my neighborhod alone who stood and watched that accident happen…their children heard the screams…saw the victims…one would hope those we look to as “leaders” would come forward and express more than they have…but it’ll never happen in this case with these set of circumstances and victims. the good news and karma coming soon…the city is screwed and rightfully so due to it’s lack of vision regarding the safety and welfare of it’s citizens…open up those checkbooks SCV…oh…but remember to pass on the monetary cost of your judgement errors to your citizens in the form of some new fee or tax on next year’s property tax bills…might as well make it hurt both emotionally and in our pocketbooks!!!! Awesometown…..not too much!
  3. Tim MyersJuly 7, 2010 at 9:49 am
    Co sign
  4. IHeartSCVJuly 7, 2010 at 10:25 am
    SCVsuckz: what an idiotic thing to write–and poorly, at that. Would you be willing to walk up to Bob Kellar, Laurene Weste, Marsha McLean, Laurie Ender, and Frank Ferry and tell them that they don’t care about a mother who died because she was Hispanic? Most of these people are parents themselves and God knows they’re thinking about her poor children. Laurie Ender has actually shed tears at a CC meeting when she discussed how immigration enforcement might hurt families. Frank Ferry has made his speech about how God-doesn’t-see-people-as-illegal a couple of times now. I often disagree with the City Council, but they’re not bad people; your racist narrative is baseless and offensive.
  5. Tim MyersJuly 7, 2010 at 10:47 am
    IHeart: While there is not overt racism, I think our poster is on to something. It is often very difficult for people to fully empathize with people who don’t look like them.
  6. CCJuly 7, 2010 at 5:02 pm
    You seem to be projecting Tim and I find it disgusting
  7. Berta González-HarperJuly 7, 2010 at 11:03 am
    I agree! These attacks based on conjecture are disgusting…
  8. Berta González-HarperJuly 7, 2010 at 11:03 am
    I agree with Iheart, not Tim.
  9. mikeJuly 7, 2010 at 11:10 am
    I agree. I don’t think we have a race-based empathy issue as it concerns the victims. The city is clamming up, period, and probably a lot of it has to do with liability, which is no excuse, but the most plausible explanation. Our government ought to always work in our interests, and not its institutional interests. At this point, they seem to be doing the latter, and it upsets me.
  10. Silence DogoodJuly 7, 2010 at 9:36 am
    Leadership, or the lack thereof, comes from the top. These bobbleheads love giving each other awards and ku
  11. Silence DogoodJuly 7, 2010 at 9:37 am
    … and kudos, but aren’t so great about addressing real problems in a transparent manner.
  12. Tim MyersJuly 7, 2010 at 10:03 am
    Here is another thing that is striking me as creepy. The Signal is making the point in ALL their coverage that everyone connected with the victim (including the nun) is speaking in Spanish. Why?
  13. ConcernedSCVMomJuly 7, 2010 at 10:51 am
    They are mentioning that the statements were in Spanish because they are “quoting” the statements. To truly quote a statement in Spanish you would have to write the statement IN Spanish. So they translate the statement into English then state that it was said in Spanish.
  14. yes, that josh premakoJuly 7, 2010 at 12:25 pm
    CSCVM, you are correct. Anytime we interview someone through a translator, we need to note that.
  15. RemStarJuly 7, 2010 at 4:24 pm
    Darn, people were really having a good time jumping to racist conclusions when they had not a clue as to what they were yammering about. No worries, on this site there is always another yammer just around the corner. I’m sure we can blame someone locally for the EQ that happened in the Inland Empire. Has the mayor issued a statement condeming the EQ yet?
  16. Whiskey Tango FoxtrotJuly 7, 2010 at 9:02 pm
    If the family was all speaking in German or French, would it be OK for the Signal to print? I don’t know Tim, but you are always quick on the draw when it comes to the race thing. I personally like to treat EVERYONE the same. It doesn’t matter to me (or the people I hang with) what color you are – mildly interesting. It’s far left and far right people that won’t let me forget that skin color is suppose to be important. For the remainding 80% of the people in this country, they’d like to disregard a person’s skin color, but the other 20% (your self included, Tim) won’t let them. My advice: ease up a bit, Sir.
  17. lvogelJuly 7, 2010 at 10:29 am
    I can’t help but go back to the trucker who lost control of his big rig in the tunnel a few years back and the very next morning it was made clear in no uncertain terms that the driver was latino, and identified him and his family! The city was quick to answer the press’s questions then, yet this happens just blocks from city hall and not a word. I’m sure that if the ethnicities were reversed, the city would be all over this and names would have been released as soon as possible.
  18. Tim MyersJuly 7, 2010 at 10:37 am
    Co-sign.
  19. Berta González-HarperJuly 7, 2010 at 11:00 am
    I repeat we do not know the legal status of anyone involved in this tragedy. How soon we forget Leland Marcus a “white” kid whose name was plastered everywhere, found guilty, served jail time, and was DEPORTED TO DENMARK. I think some of you are practicing reverse racism!
  20. Tim MyersJuly 7, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    Don’t you remember all the (bad and misspelled) poetic homages to Marcus’s innocence placed on the old Tell It to The Signal by scores of white girls at Canyon High? Do you think that would have happened for a Latin perpetrator?
  21. Berta González-HarperJuly 7, 2010 at 12:36 pm
    Tim I think some teenage girls of whatever race or ethnicity who think a guy is “hot” will say and do anything!
  22. BrianJuly 7, 2010 at 11:19 am
    One white kid and you are calling reverse racism? Don’t hurt yourself stretching like that, seeing all the victims except Rodney were white high school kids. You just don’t hear much about Rodney any more, but the white kids are an annual tradition. Will this dead mother be treated the same?
  23. Kip RockfistJuly 7, 2010 at 11:30 am
    If her family spends as much time bringing awareness to the situation as the Reynolds family did/does, then yes.
  24. Berta González-HarperJuly 7, 2010 at 12:29 pm
    I am calling reverse racism because many of you are insinuating that the names of those involved are being suppressed because the drivers are presumably “white”, see my Leland comment, and the Council members do not care because they are “white”. Those comments are racist! So if one or more of the Council members were Hispanic would you make the same charge? The names of those involved are not being released because it is LASD policy to withhold naming persons involved until the investigation is completed and the appropriate party is charged. If the names were being withheld due to preferential treatment as you contend, it would be towards Hispanics, my and Baca’s ethnic group. Sherriff Lee Baca has repeatedly shown favoritism to that ethnic group by making it his department policy to refuse to enforce Immigration law contrary to both the Federal and State Constitution he took an oath to uphold. “Brian”, you have made many comments in the past to lead me to believe you are bigoted towards “Anglos” since you are always quick to bring in the racism charge. Shame on you! Real racism is wrong regardless of what race or ethnic group is targeted.
  25. BrianJuly 7, 2010 at 1:19 pm
    Go google Rusbo and his rant yesterday! Perfectly acceptable if you’re a conservative I guess!
  26. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 5:09 am
    Brian you watch to much Olbermann! That story has been completely debunked! He was talking about someone elses comments. LOL!!!! http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/07/07/keith-olbermann-cherry-picks-rush-limbaugh-make-him-look-racist
  27. SCVsuckzJuly 7, 2010 at 11:32 am
    IHeartSCV: yep…bring ‘em on….so willing to walk up to any of them and tell them what i think of them…which isn’t much, but i’d give it a go. oh…and thank you for your writing critique…i forget how well qualified you are…being as though you write your own…web blog…and all ; ( but i digress…if that woman’s name was jane smith and the driver was ernesto garcia we’d have a very different reponse. i mean…we’d actually have a response. doesn’t matter….they were negligent-they will pay as they should to all parties involved becuase they are short-sighted and only care about their own interests…oh..waiting for a blog post on IHEARTSCV regarding the 4th tragedy…haven’t seen it yet…
  28. Applies to Fireworks Applies to TeaPartyJuly 7, 2010 at 11:34 am
    Next time there is a tea party rally, the City needs to close Valencia Blvd. While not a city sponsored event, the same could be said that the City was not providing adequate safety and doing their due dilligence if somethin occurred at one of the rallies.
  29. Mike MJuly 7, 2010 at 9:57 pm
    I disagree – not because of my natural distaste for the Tea Party, but because despite what anyone says nobody expects 20,000 people to show up to a local Tea Party rally. This fireworks show is a once-a-year event for EVERYONE, not just adherents to a specific political agenda. If the city organized a large political rally, I would expect them to handle traffic control responsibly, just as they should have for this event…
  30. Kip RockfistJuly 7, 2010 at 11:39 am
    I will start by saying I do not agree that the road should have been open, and I do not agree that it should have been closed. Let me ask a question to all those who emphatically say Valencia Blvd. should have been closed…how would you have gone about that? Would you have closed it from Citrus to McBean? Would you have placed k-rails at the mall/kohls center entrances? How long would you have closed it for? 1 hour? 2 hours (like McBean was from Valencia to Magic Mountain)? How would you have diverted traffic? How would you have routed emergency traffic to Henry Mayo? Up Magic to Tourney back to Rockwell then back down McBean?
  31. Bill ReynoldsJuly 7, 2010 at 12:50 pm
    Here are a few suggestions: at a minimum, orange cones could have been placed to close one or two lanes (both sides of Valencia Blvd), several electronic speed limit signs (20mph) could have appropriately positioned, law enforcement could have been on-site, and city staff could have directed parking lot traffic.
  32. Silence DogoodJuly 7, 2010 at 2:25 pm
    Completely reasonable and all of these points will likely be implemented next year assuming the fireworks show is held at the same location. Since the City was expecting about 25,000 for this public event, safety mitigations such as these suggestions could be reasonably expected.
  33. Mike MJuly 7, 2010 at 9:58 pm
    Don’t think I’ve done this yet, but I completely agree with Bill here. I don’t think the entire street needed to be closed, but some controls like these would really have limited speed and probably would have prevented this accident from being severe even if it did happen,.
  34. SallyJuly 7, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    I find this situation disgraceful. Jeff thank you for your comments. The same silence happened after another accident on McBean about 2 months ago. Not one person made a public statement that the young woman whose car was hit was NOT responsible for the accident. The young woman in the Infinity was not responsible for being hit on Sunday night. I know both young women. Their lives are also forever changed. I pray for Matilda and for all the children who were injured. I am a new resident to Santa Clarita and I am not happy to see any of this.
  35. Tim MyersJuly 7, 2010 at 4:33 pm
    Sally: The Signal quoted the lead detective today as stating that video “clearly showed” the Infiniti ran the red light. Is this false?
  36. navigatorJuly 7, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    It strikes me as unusual that so many find the City to blame for this when the perp ran a red light. Who gets blamed when the same thing happens and another car careens through the front door of Islands where people are always waiting for a table. I suppose the City could have put up “NO LOITERING” signs everywhere. Twenty-twenty hindsight is always perfect.
  37. Tim MyersJuly 7, 2010 at 1:20 pm
    Leslie Abramson made “blame the victim” famous in the Menendez trial and even tried to make it work out here in the trial in the late 90′s where the guy stomped his best friend to death in front of Grace Baptist Church (which was in Placerita Canyon at the time) over a girlfriend dispute and then Abramson tried to use some twisted self defense argument that the victim was some kind of deadly martial arts expert because he played with throwing stars and drew pictures of Bruce Lee! Maybe the Infiniti driver is seeing if Leslie Abramson is available?
  38. JackieJuly 7, 2010 at 8:32 pm
    Are you kidding, Tim? Are you seriously comparing a young woman running a red light to violence and even murder? Yes, she’s at fault. But I bet you every single one of the commenters here has made a mistake behind the wheel or otherwise that could’ve caused someone to be injured or killed. She didn’t go out that night looking to take someone’s life. It’s a horrific situation for ALL families involved. My heart is with Matilda’s family AND that of the young woman who made a horrible, horrible call and will live the rest of her life regretting it.
  39. Bill ReynoldsJuly 7, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    For the record, I am not placing blame anywhere; people should be responsible for their actions, or inactions. The fact is, many folks go thru their pollyanna lives never thinking that really horrible things can unexpectedly happen in a New York minute.
  40. CC BillJuly 7, 2010 at 1:18 pm
    Reply IHeartSCV says: July 7, 2010 at 10:25 am ……Laurie Ender has actually shed tears at a CC meeting when she discussed how immigration enforcement might hurt families. Frank Ferry has made his speech about how God-doesn’t-see-people-as-illegal a couple of times now…… OMG, you actually fell for that crap from those two scummy politicos? Laurie Ender is “on” 110% of the time so I guess there will alwys be a few morons who buy her phony holier-than-thou council skits, but I am still surprised that you fall for that phony BS. As for Frank, he doesn’t give a damn about anyone or anything except himself and how many votes he can pick up from his own phony BS speeches. Actions speak louder than words, as they say.
  41. ToddJuly 7, 2010 at 1:48 pm
    The loss of life and injuries here is awful. Just awful. I think at the heart of the issue, the question is did the City do everyting reasonable to protect the people? The answer is probably yes. For example: Were people permitted to set up chairs in the street? No? Then they’ve taken reasonable precaution to keep pedestrians safe. (Counter example: Pasadena, where at Midnight on New Year’s Eve, you’re allowed to move out to the blue line in the street, while cars are still passing, along the Rose Parade route.) The question of liability rests on who’s action caused the injuries and death? Was it the City’s? Or was it the driver who failed to control their vehicle/ran a red light? To propose that the area of the mall be shut down to traffic is absurd. I respect you greatly Jeff, but your obvious disdain for motor vehicles and traffic is starting to cloud your judgement here. You’d have to shut down significant thoroughfares. We’re not talking small streets that cause a minor inconvenience. Should we close down a street every time we have a mass of people? I guess we need to shut down the streets every time protesters show up in front of City Hall. Or on Wilshire Blvd in front of the Federal Building. Or every Halloween…. all those children walking on sidewalks… WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!??!?!?!?
  42. JeffJuly 7, 2010 at 1:50 pm
    Fair enough. And what of their reaction since?
  43. Berta González-HarperJuly 7, 2010 at 2:43 pm
    I would bet that legal counsel has told them all to keep mum until ALL OF THE FACTS ARE KNOWN.
  44. ToddJuly 7, 2010 at 3:16 pm
    For once I agree with Berta. Until the City Attorney can reasonably be certain of the liability issues, you don’t want any of them feeding any lawyer’s case for them. Any words they say can be used against them… Unfortunate, but true.
  45. Whiskey Tango FoxtrotJuly 7, 2010 at 9:12 pm
    You are on the money, Todd.
  46. SCVsuckzJuly 7, 2010 at 2:29 pm
    so….Todd…they are willing to set out cones and direct traffic for the graduation events taking place at COC over the course of several days every May…where people go sit in a confined stadium with big cement walls to protect them….. but… it’s too much to ask they utilize some of their Explorers to help direct traffic at an open fireworks event that attracts thousands of people who line up on sidewalks and sit in parking lots? …and when is it reasonable to assume if large colorful explosions are in the night sky in no way will any driver on Valencia Blvd. be so distracted as to look up for a second and blow a red so we don’t need anybody directing traffic in and out of the Mall area or just make the signals blink red to assist or perhaps indicate pedestrians can not set their chairs up or sit on the greenbelts and sidewalks? You’re right-the Infinity driver blew the red. She made a irrevocable error in judgement-she will pay for it emotionally and financially. The victim had no business sitting on a busy curb with her children while cars went past at 40-50 mph-she paid with her life…the city? They had no vision and no plan with respect to how they would deal with this type of event once it grew to the capacity it did-they are equally as culpable.
  47. ToddJuly 7, 2010 at 3:26 pm
    I’m not familiar with the COC graduation rites, as I have not been in the area at the time. So I’ll defer comment on that. But I have been camped at the mall with my back toward Valencia Blvd as I watched the fireworks. This year, I sat on the lawn at Olive Garden on McBean and Magic Mountain with hundreds of others. And felt just as safe as ever. I think that, regardless of the thousands, tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of people that would turn out, the chance of an incident is still there. For many years I would go to my best friend’s parents house in Burbank and sit on their parkway to watch the fireworks that were being launched from the ampitheater up on the hill. As would tens of thousands of others, lining the streets of Burbank, sitting on the lawn of McCambridge Park along Glenoaks Blvd. Or Fire Station 16 on Bel Aire, or John Muir Middle School on Kenneth. The City of Burbank put on the display for the people at the ampitheater. Anyone else wanting to watch was free to do so from wherever they could cop a squat. Should Burbank be liable for any accident that occurs anywhere in the City because they pay for the fireworks? The answer is a resounding no. Or should we shut down I-5 because we can see the Stevenson Ranch fireworks from the freeway???
  48. Whiskey Tango FoxtrotJuly 7, 2010 at 9:17 pm
    You make good points. Their pre-event planning should have been more focused – we see that now. But to say that they were equally culpable…. lost me there.
  49. RemStarJuly 7, 2010 at 2:32 pm
    It seems silly and fake to call a press conference to offer condolences to a family on a tragic personal loss. The suggestion to cone off a lane of traffic is not smart because then people would just stand or set up chairs in that part of the street, and then if something bad happened you would blame the city for creating that hazzard. There were cops in the area of the fire works, we saw them. Directing traffic in parking lots wouldn’t have stopped the accident. The rant on this subject has approached hysterics. Plain and simple, this accident should never have happened because the driver shouldn’t have run the red light.
  50. Bill ReynoldsJuly 7, 2010 at 6:08 pm
    And her lawyer will say she that was overwhelmingly distracted by the explosions and bright lights… in the end, lawyers will collect big time and we tax payers will pay through the nose…
  51. Samuel AdamsJuly 7, 2010 at 2:59 pm
    I can’t believe the hate in this discussion on both sides. I side with you Jeff on this one. The mayor at least should have made a comment by now. Period. Something is up.
  52. RemStarJuly 7, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    The beauty of blogging is that everyone has a simple solution to every problem, and of course we call have perfect 20/20 hindsight. If we were all as smart as we think we are, we’d all be too busy spending our riches and wouldn’t have time to log on and share our thoughts on SCVTalk. I’m fairly certain most of us come on here because even our spouces don’t want to listen to our constantly crystal clear and clever insight….
  53. Vince HansJuly 7, 2010 at 4:01 pm
    And speaking of earthquakes!!
  54. Berta González-HarperJuly 7, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Ya, 5.9 centered in Borrego Springs (28 miles S/W of Palm Springs).
  55. Berta González-HarperJuly 7, 2010 at 4:05 pm
    Just corrected to 5.4 by Caltech.
  56. lvogelJuly 7, 2010 at 6:42 pm
    It used to be that people would go to the mall itself and watch the fireworks from the parking lot. That was when there was area to do so. There is not the room that used to be there. I believe (and please correct me if I’m wrong) that the fireworks were displayed (set off) from on top of a parking structure? Is this correct? If so, where did the city believe people would be parking and observing the show? If this was a city sponsered event, then plans should have been in place and extra sheriffs should have been in that area, controlling people and traffic. Seriously, where did the city/sheriffs believe citizens would be watching from, if not up close?
  57. CoastalSageJuly 7, 2010 at 10:54 pm
    Here’s the reality, which the Council Members will not say. The City has been sued, at least twice, for unsafe road conditions where people have died. In one case, about 10 years ago, it turned out that a certain high level staff member had pushed through a road design without proper engineering. As a result, I suspect the Council Members have been well schooled by the City Attorney to absolutely keep their mouths shut when a widely publicized fatal accident occurs on a City street. This “standard advice” is not limited to Santa Clarita. When the Metrolink train crashed in Burbank, no one from the Burbank City Council communicated, in any way, with the victims of the accident, to express condolences. Instead, someone on the City’s staff came out to the crash site, within a few hours of the crash, and cut down all of the oleander bushes on the city’s right of way which someone apparently realized could be alleged to be part of the reason the truck driver who caused the crash didn’t see the train coming when he cut through the gates. This is just how the world works. Look at those “In the event of an accident” instructions on your car’s insurance card. It says to keep your mouth shut.
  58. Petz2July 8, 2010 at 4:56 am
    Has there been any credible evidence that the driver was distracted by anything related to fireworks, or has everyone jumped to that assunption?
  59. lvogelJuly 8, 2010 at 6:08 am
    Good question, Petz2. We often hear of these kinds of ‘accidents’ and don’t make a big case over them, do we? However, from the ‘accounts’ I got from those that were there, the sidewalks were packed with people. Not just in front of Islands, but all those surrounding areas. Personally, if I see an officer (either on foot, bike or car) I check myself. I can’t help but think that if this driver had seen law enforcement, the impulse to go through the red may not have been there. From what I understand also, parts of McBean were closed. Perhaps if spectators were ushered into the closed area and observation was allowed ONLY in that area, then the amount of people would not have ‘perhaps’ been a distraction, along with the fireworks. The city’s control lacked, in this case.
  60. navigatorJuly 8, 2010 at 7:34 am
    Lvogel – You need to remove the rose colored glasses and look at what the world is really about. Oh, I forgot, blaming others IS what the world is all about. Do you seriously think she had “an impulse to go through the red?” If there was no fireworks and she had that “impulse” and someone else was killed just because they were standing on that particular corner at that particular time waiting to cross the street, should someone else (the City) be to blame? I made a comment earlier about the city posting NO LOITERING signs all over the place and obviously you took me seriously. Certainly the City could not forbid people from watching the show from wherever they wish. The can and probably will, however, cancel the show altogether now that people are calling for their heads.
  61. Tim MyersJuly 8, 2010 at 7:47 am
    Navigator: I wonder how many of those Monday morning quarterbacking the City are also proud members of the Tea (get government out of our lives) Party?
  62. CCJuly 8, 2010 at 8:01 am
    relevant about as much as ‘how many posters are members of Toast Masters or Catholics?’ You are obviously desperate to make this about citizenship for some inane reason.
  63. lvogelJuly 8, 2010 at 10:07 am
    If she didn’t give herself time to ‘think’ about what she was about to do, then yes I would call that an impulse. An impulse that many drivers have when approaching a light that is about to turn red. That last minute thought….”will I make it?”…I call that impulse. Now had a sheriffs car been there or one standing near by, I believe (even with my glasses off) that it would have given the driver pause. From what I understand, there was a lot of ‘loitering’ happening to whatch a show from the streets, no?

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