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July 8, 2010 – Daily Brief

  • The City Council has released a statement expressing condolences to the family of Matilda Garnica. The letter says that the traffic plan for Valencia on July 4th was created by the traffic and streets department “along with the Sheriff’s Station and Los Angeles County fire department officials” and says 13 Deputies were patrolling the area. The letter says that Valencia Blvd is not closed for the event “as it is a critical major roadway for emergency services.” Finally, the Signal says some witnesses to the 4th of July crash are asking the City to pay for counseling.  SIGNAL, CITY COUNCIL’S LETTER
  • On Friday, investigators will close a portion of Valencia Blvd “to recreate the accident,” according to the Daily News. Also at the Daily News is information on a fund you can donate to if you want to help Garnica’s family DAILY NEWS
  • Four brave students protest for fair and humane immigration reform just outside City Hall. They’ve even started a group called the “Santa Clarita Alliance for Immigration Advocacy” SIGNAL
  • LA County Coroner releases sketch of victim whose bones were found in the Angeles National Forrest south of Acton after the Station Fire. The victim, thought to be female, and between 20 and 40 years old, is “now more than just a pile of bones- she has a face.” Amazing story on Jane Doe #87 SIGNAL
  • CHP officer being investigated for early Monday Placerita Canyon crash SIGNAL
  • Deputies want your help finding this 34 year old man who may have pointed a gun at someone on July 4 in Val Verde SCV SHERIFF
  • CalWorks is “one of the most successful paid-to-work programs in the Country” according to some Democrats in the Legislature who say they will fight Schwarzenegger’s plans to end it. George Runner says the program is “too generous”  SACRAMENTO NEWS & REVIEW
  • State Controller John Chiang says the state’s computer system can’t handle changing 200,000 worker’s salaries to minimum wage. A fix won’t be ready until October 2012. Laugh out loud. AP
  • The decision to call the Los Angeles River traditional navigable waters “may seem odd to people who know the L.A. River as a flood-control channel of treated water a few inches deep flowing between massive, graffiti-marred concrete banks strewn with rotting garbage and broken glass, and occasionally polluted with chemicals illegally dumped in storm drains and gutters that empty into it,” but that’s what the EPA has done according to the LA TIMES
  • I did not feel the earthquake yesterday but just about everyone else I know did. I think I was walking my dog at the time KHTS
  • Today at the Senior center, Buck McKeon is holding Medicare and Tricare ’roundtable’ with senior residents and representatives from Facey, Providence Holy Cross and something called the TriWest Healthcare Alliance KHTS
  • “If (Valencia Boulevard) would have been closed to traffic, that mother and her family would today be home safe and sound, and my son, daughter, sister and myself would not be having nightmares of the tragic crash.My son has not been able to sleep and keeps crying about the dead woman’s body that lay covered with a white blanket hours after the crash.The city should at least feel obligated to offer counseling to the bystanders who are suffering from post-traumatic stress,” letter writer says.
  • Lynne Plambeck complains about CLWA giving away free bottles of water at public events, saying the bottles are detrimental to the environment and “support the myth that bottled water is healthier than tap water.” SIGNAL

Finally, the Daily Brief will be on hiatus until Monday, 7/19/2010. Barring a major earthquake or the Santa Clara River overflowing its banks, posting by me will also be light to non-existent. (others may post so you should, by all means, check back).

July 8, 2010 – Daily Brief

Comments (82)

  1. lvogelJuly 8, 2010 at 7:27 am
    They have to ‘recreate’ the accident? Really?! I think they should also include a crowd of people and moving vehicles also. It should be replicated as much as possible in order to get a good idea about how the driver ‘might’ have been distracted….OH WAIT, they have video, right? So why the reinactment?
  2. ramirezJuly 8, 2010 at 7:43 am
    Please stop bashing. The Sheriff’s are doing an investigation. If they believe the recreation will help them get additional info, please let them to their job.
  3. lvogelJuly 8, 2010 at 9:01 am
    Okay, I’ll stop ramirez. I don’t mean to bash, but it was made clear that there was plenty of video when the accident occured. I personally believe that a ‘true’ recreation is the only way to determine why the driver went through a red. Afterall, people go through red lights all the time (unfortunately), but in this case, the ‘reason’ is in question….I believe. I will refrain from commenting anymore, until the ‘results’ of the reinactment are announced.
  4. Tim MyersJuly 8, 2010 at 7:44 am
    The City should pay for counseling? In 2002 the New Yorker magazine did an article about first responders to the World Trade Center one year on. While a small percentage reported problems (and had pending lawsuits against the City for mental disability), something like 92% had declined ANY department offered counseling and reported no surges in problems (like alcoholism, absenteeism, marital problems). Humans are pretty resilient and I wonder sometimes (NOT a Scientologist) if the mental health industry has propagandized and exaggerated these issues.
  5. Bill ReynoldsJuly 8, 2010 at 8:21 am
    Tim, I have to say that I do agree with you on this…
  6. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 8:31 am
    I agree too!
  7. Tim MyersJuly 8, 2010 at 10:20 am
    OMG!!! It has to be a bulletproof argument then if we both agree.
  8. Bill ReynoldsJuly 8, 2010 at 10:41 am
    The bad news is that you have just alienated your liberals pals! Ha!
  9. CoastalSageJuly 8, 2010 at 10:42 am
    Tim has liberal pals?
  10. navigatorJuly 8, 2010 at 10:41 am
    Me too! Will wonders never cease??
  11. Berta González-HarperJuly 8, 2010 at 11:26 am
    Tim, I live very close to Soledad Cyn. Rd. where there are almost weekly traffic accidents between vehicles exiting businesses onto Soledad and vehicles speeding right into them. Should I claim I need counseling due to the trauma of hearing screeching brakes, crashing metal, people screaming, being awakened from peaceful slumber by all the commotion, emergency vehicle sirens, etc and say the City should pay? I think not. So I actually agree with you too!!!
  12. DamageincJuly 9, 2010 at 6:12 pm
    Yes take whatever counseling you could possible get free or otherwise.
  13. Berta González-HarperJuly 9, 2010 at 7:40 pm
    It would not help anyway. I would still have to fight the desire to choke the living dogpoop out of a jacka$$ like you anyway.
  14. DamageincJuly 9, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    Hamster fall off the wheel? Are you really restoring to violent rhetoric? I don’t think your college alma mater would not approve. Which ivy league school was that again?
  15. Berta González-HarperJuly 9, 2010 at 8:11 pm
    Not very original Nate since we have already had this conversation. You should try using spell check. I will not provide a nut case like you with any more personal information than you already have. Go pound sand….
  16. DamageincJuly 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    Go pound sand? It’s a clue! Let’s see sand… So either UNLV or ASU. This is tough Berta. I think you would like UNLV’s mascot he kinds looks like a little minute man guy. But then ASU is bringing sexy back, wait I mean they are bring racial profile back which has always been sexy. So I am at a loss! Come on Berta let us know this great intuition which has made you god-like!
  17. CCJuly 8, 2010 at 7:54 am
    I also wonder why the woman who said her son was traumatized by looking at the dead woman’s covered body HOURS after the crash. Why wasn’t he taken home? I am sure it was horrific and there is trauma, but counciling isn’t going to change that. BTW is the forum shut down?
  18. ConcernedSCVMomJuly 8, 2010 at 9:09 am
    I was absolutely shocked how many parents were standing there watching the aftermath with their kids….not people who were helping, or were witnesses (they were on the other side of the street) just people that wanted to see what was going on. For gosh sakes people NOTHING good can come from your children seeing what happened that night! Even if the woman in that story was a witness there is no reason her child should have been standing there staring at a body for “hours”!
  19. CoastalSageJuly 8, 2010 at 10:45 am
    And I’ve got a hot tip for that mother who is complaining. Liability insurance companies have what amounts to a “scale” for payouts on emotional-distress-only claims. They are slim to none, especially when the parent (who has to sue as guardian ad litem for the traumatized kid) lingers at the accident scene. Anyone who thinks they are going to make money suing the City or County on bystander emotional distress claims is going to be very disappointed. Just my thoughts, based on the real world.
  20. lvogelJuly 8, 2010 at 9:18 am
    Yeah, what’s up with the talkers forum….can’t sign in
  21. ReaderMamaJuly 8, 2010 at 8:35 am
    If the City were to provide said counseling, that fact would only be used in court as “evidence” that the City was responsible for the accident. Hanging around the accident scene for hours after the accident with your kids in tow is tantamount to child abuse in my book.
  22. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 9:26 am
    Lets get to the real important nes of the day! Where the hell is Lebron going? I am betting the Heat
  23. mikeJuly 8, 2010 at 9:39 am
    I say Bulls
  24. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 9:43 am
    Nah Taxes will keep him away from that state (10-20 million difference)
  25. mikeJuly 8, 2010 at 10:37 am
    If you consider the state of residence (wherever that may be), and taxes for road games, is it really that much? Word on the Tweets in MIA.
  26. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 11:31 am
    Need to figure in all other earnings. Basketball looks to be a small percentage of future earnings. ( see Tiger)
  27. mikeJuly 8, 2010 at 11:46 am
    He’s free to live in Florida either way, right?
  28. ToddJuly 8, 2010 at 1:13 pm
    The heaviest of taxes will be levied in the state of the team he plays for. Regardless of where his primary residence is. Thats because he will play 50% of the games at “home.” Generally, I understand that pro athletes, musicians, etc, all pay taxes on the income earned while performing in that jurisdiction… so when the Dodgers play in AZ, they pay AZ taxes on their game checks. I’m certain that Lebron and all athletes have corporations set up where they’re the single shareholder in Nevada or Delaware, etc, where all their endorsement deals are licensing agreements between the sponsor and the athlete’s corporation. That way, the athlete avoids those revenues as being part of their earned income, and instead its unearned dividend income that their “corporation” pays the single shareholder.
  29. CCJuly 8, 2010 at 10:16 am
    My bet is that he is staying put.
  30. Tim MyersJuly 8, 2010 at 10:18 am
    Co sign
  31. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 10:20 am
    That would be good for Cleveland but not for Lebron. he wants rings. I would have a bit more respect for him if he stayed
  32. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 10:23 am
    Man I hate being right all the time!!!! from deadspin.com “LeBron James has rented six cabanas at the W Hotel South Beach this weekend to celebrate his team decision, two sources confirm.”
  33. mikeJuly 8, 2010 at 10:33 am
    IMO, no special honor in staying. He didn’t choose the Cavs, and the Cavs have squandered their opportunity. That said, MIA is the last team I’d like to see him go to. I detest all Florida teams.
  34. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Well if his financial advisor was 13 years old he would know enough to tell him to go to Florida
  35. mikeJuly 8, 2010 at 10:38 am
    I haven’t been following this too closely, but can he get a max deal in MIA? If it’s such a no-brainer, why don’t the Magic or Heat score big more often in free agency?
  36. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 10:53 am
    Cap space. And they have done most of their pick-ups through trades. When they do enter the free agent market they usually get their guy (or fight with each other over them) Tracy McGrady
  37. BrianJuly 8, 2010 at 2:10 pm
    I love the smell of BP in the morning!
  38. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 11:46 am
    Mike you got to read Simmons today! http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100708
  39. CoastalSageJuly 8, 2010 at 10:47 am
    MSNBC agrees with you. Apparently the Miami Heat’s season tickets, for next season, sold out this morning.
  40. Whiskey Tango FoxtrotJuly 8, 2010 at 12:14 pm
    Dollars to donuts: Da Knicks.
  41. mikecJuly 8, 2010 at 2:02 pm
    I think he stays in Cleveland, on a 2 or 3 year contract Still young and if Cleveland can’t win, then he can go somewhere else afterwards and at least say I tried…
  42. AlpinerJuly 8, 2010 at 10:29 am
    Is anyone else having problems getting on SCVTalkers or have I just been “excommunicated?”
  43. CCJuly 8, 2010 at 10:34 am
    I think the forum is down. I have a construction guy icon. The good news is that our firewall isn’t blocking the site today.
  44. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 10:35 am
    Don’t know ??? I am banned from that playground
  45. mikeJuly 8, 2010 at 10:36 am
    Appears to be closed.
  46. ReaderMamaJuly 8, 2010 at 10:42 am
    Yeah, I just get the construction guy and an Admin Log-in. Doesn’t work for me. Maybe Jeff is working on the site.
  47. CCJuly 8, 2010 at 11:02 am
    …or he is giving Indy & Phil a day off.
  48. John AdamsJuly 8, 2010 at 11:10 am
    LOL ! I do miss messing with Indy! 78% of the time (or 3 out 28 days) Trying to remember some of my faorite Indyisms
  49. mikecJuly 8, 2010 at 2:03 pm
    LOL!
  50. Ryan KingJuly 8, 2010 at 11:59 am
    Bit of a typo in The Signal. We’re actually the Santa Clarita Alliance for Immigrant Advocacy and we have a little over 70 members. If you’re on facebook and feel inclined to join us, we’d love some new faces. Just search “Santa Clarita Alliance for Immigrant Advocacy” on facebook and we’ll pop up.
  51. Tim MyersJuly 8, 2010 at 12:13 pm
    Ryan: I would be honored to join your Facebook page.
  52. CCJuly 8, 2010 at 12:15 pm
    Hey, I’m all for legal immigration.
  53. Ryan KingJuly 8, 2010 at 12:23 pm
    By the way, thanks a ton for featuring us on your site and for the kind words, Jeff.
  54. Berta González-HarperJuly 8, 2010 at 4:30 pm
    Hi Ryan. I attended a meeting last evening at City Hall and passed your group of “protesters”. You had one fellow with a sign in Spanish with the word “umanos” which is misspelled. While the “h” is silent in Spanish, it is still written in this and many other words. His sign should have read “Somos Humanos” (we are humans). I would also respectfully suggest that your signs would better serve your cause if they were written in grammatically and orthographically correct English. If you insist on Spanish, you might use a dictionary or Spanish spellchecker. I also have to take exception to the name of your group, “Santa Clarita Alliance for Immigrant Advocacy”. If you were being honest, you would include the word “illegal” since there is a clear difference between a legal immigrant and a trespassing foreign national also known as an illegal alien. Or are you also advocating for legal immigrants? Why do they need your “advocacy”?
  55. Ryan KingJuly 8, 2010 at 5:21 pm
    Berta, gracias para tu comentario. Yo no vi la pancarta de que Ud. habla de, pero este verano recibí 680 por 800 en el examen SAT II: Español. Claro entiendo que se escribe la hache aún no la dice. Aún, gracias para tu consejo. En cuanto al nombre del grupo, es correcto decir que nuestra organización es especifícamente centrado en los inmigrantes sin documento. Porque ellos son inmigrantes también este nombre fue apropriado. Por cierto, la expresión correcta es “sin documento” (“undocumented” en inglés). Nunca fue un trato para mentir; el intento de esta organización es claro. Trabajamos para los derechos de los inmigrantes sin documento. Espero que ya no hay confusión. Respeto que no tenemos ideología similar. Espero que lo respeta también. Criticar el nombre de mi organización y una pancarta de mi amigo es infantil y no logra nada. Lo siento si mi grámatica no es perfecta; todavía tengo mucho que aprender en la clase “AP Spanish” el próximo año escolar.
  56. Your Web GuruJuly 8, 2010 at 5:49 pm
    Muy buena respuesta, Ryan. Yo respeto lo que está haciendo y le deseamos tu mejor en sus esfuerzos.
  57. Ryan KingJuly 8, 2010 at 7:16 pm
    Muchísimas gracias para tus palabras cariños. Todos somos humanos, y me alegra conocer alguien que piensa eso también.
  58. Berta González-HarperJuly 8, 2010 at 7:22 pm
    Ryan just because I speak Spanish that does not mean I will disrespect the rest of the people contributing to this blog and exclude them from the conversation so I will answer you in English. You may want to help Guru with his Spanish though. You are very welcome for my comments. Since there were only 5(?) of you protesting, how did you miss his sign? I am very happy that you scored well on your Spanish exams and I hope you will use your FOREIGN language skills well in the years to come. You say I am correct and that your specific focus is on “immigrants without documents”. I respond that they are not immigrants without documents as they have perfectly legal documents in their country of origin. What they are missing is legal documents allowing them entry into the United States of America, which makes them illegal trespassers on foreign soil, in other words illegal foreign national aliens. I repeat they are not undocumented. They do not have permission to be here. I was never confused so you did not clear anything up for me. I reiterate you are being dishonest in not making the distinction between legal immigrants who have permission to be here and passed all the requirements, waited their turn, paid the fees, etc. and those who enter this country in direct violation of United States Immigration Law. You say you respect that we do not have similar ideology and hope I will respect that also. I do respect that we have a different opinion but that does not give you a free pass on accountability. You say that “criticizing” the name of your group or your friend’s sign is immature and accomplishes nothing. I was not criticizing the name of your group but holding you accountable for the dishonesty of the name. I also was not criticizing your friend’s sign but correcting his Spanish and advising you it serves your cause better if you use English. Calling me immature is sidestepping the issues I raised, and only highlights your own immaturity. I understand you are young and full of enthusiasm and passion for your “cause”. I also understand you believe you are righteous. You are correct that my comments will accomplish nothing. But I will hold you accountable for failing to acknowledge that there is a vast difference between people who petition for legal entry, go through the process of screening etc., follow all the rules and wait for approval by their hosts before entering the USA legally, and those who ignore the law and the wishes of their potential hosts and just barge on in. Your grammar is not perfect and yes, you have much to learn and not just regarding Spanish as you admit but no apology is necessary. Just some honesty… Good luck with your Spanish classes next year. PS I am a native Spanish speaker, taught both Spanish and English, lived in Spain, travelled extensively in México, and still have family in both España and México which I speak with frequently. Your posting in Spanish and test scores did not impress me. I think that about covers it.
  59. Your Web GuruJuly 8, 2010 at 7:33 pm
    I owe my Spanish speaking abilities to Google translator.
  60. Berta González-HarperJuly 8, 2010 at 7:58 pm
    At least an honest response Guru. Teacher says “A for initiative and effort, but more work needed”. Now speak English so all can follow our “discussions”. PS Ryan called you “sweetheart”. Ouch!
  61. Ryan KingJuly 9, 2010 at 2:35 am
    There were 17 of us out there, spread over the 4 corners of the intersection and with more signs than people. Hence not being able to spell check everyone’s signs. My job was to organize the rally, not to babysit those in attendance. With regards to the organization’s name, it’s a matter of you and I having differing perspectives and differing interpretations of terminology than me trying to cover up the focus of the organization I take pride in founding. On your note of my presumed ‘righteousness,’ I can assure you I have no high horse to mount myself on. I am proud of the work I do for immigrant rights, but much in the same as I’m sure you felt proud to be taking an active role in city government by attending that meeting last night, as you very well should be. I’m proud that I stand up for what I believe in and you should be too. If you’d like to chat immigration policy or something relevant to immigration reform, the causes of undocumented immigration, or the effects of immigration on our society and community, I’m down to converse. That being said, petty disputes over the name of my organization and immigration terminology and (valid) cheap shots at my gringoification of the Spanish language are about the last thing either of us should be worrying about. My bet is that we agree about more issues and aspects of government and humanity than carrying on a discussion like this will allow us to realize.
  62. Berta González-HarperJuly 9, 2010 at 9:54 am
    Ryan now you come across as indignant that any one would challenge your position. You are still sidestepping the issues I raised. I passed four people holding signs as I entered the City Hall parking lot at the signal near the Chase Bank. The person with the sign nearest the street and entering vehicles is the one that had the error. You say you are not responsible for babysitting the others, true. However, your group is defined by the actions of those representing it and as you say you are the founder, you may want to think about what you are displaying. Misspelled Spanish in a country where English is spoken, or perhaps truthful and concise English. If you want to talk about immigration both legal and otherwise, without your posturing, I am in the phonebook.
  63. Ryan KingJuly 9, 2010 at 11:46 am
    I was not sidestepping, I was acknowledging that we have different opinions because we have differing perspectives. I want to resolve our dispute, not fuel it with my personal opinion because it has been established we are in disagreement. What I want is comprehensive immigration reform, and virtual bickering doesn’t aid that cause. I respect where you’re coming from because I know this is a passionate and very delicate issue; which is what I tried to convey in my last response. I don’t know what more there is to say than we both have our own opinions and that I wholeheartedly understand and respect yours.
  64. Berta González-HarperJuly 9, 2010 at 4:12 pm
    Ryan while I would be willing to discuss immigration issues with you, I do not believe we will achieve anything since any discussion (which you have already characterized as “bickering”) on this topic can only be productive if the basis for any such discussion is honesty and a sincere desire to address the root issues. You and many others refuse to acknowledge (sidestepping) the root issue, which is that the people you advocate for, have violated the laws of the sovereign nation of the United States of America and entered this country as foreign national trespassers. You and others insist on calling them undocumented immigrants in an effort to negate that they willingly broke the law. Supporters say they happen to be here without papers as though they somehow left them at home and simply need to go retrieve them. The trespassers are portrayed as the victims, those of us who want our borders secured, and our laws enforced as “racists”. I believe you will argue that they are decent people just here to work and keep invoking that tired “we are humans” as though we are saying they are what, helicopters. Some are decent, some are not. Some are hard working, some are not. Some are here for a better life; some are here to bring their lawlessness and misery to this country. ALL who have entered without satisfactorily completing the immigration process, which this country has determined by law is the process which must be followed, have broken the law and disrespected the people of this country who are legally entitled to be here whether native or having legally emigrated . It does not matter to me where they came from, what the color of their skin is, what language they speak, or what religion they practice or anything else relating to them personally. I maintain the same position whether people are entering without permission from China, Kenya, Canada, Libya, Chile, or wherever. China has many people who would like to earn more money and live in a democracy. Do we simply allow millions from China to come here seeking a better life in direct violation of USA immigration laws also? This country has every right to protect its borders and limit legal entry to those who meet the criteria as established by law. You are advocating for those who broke the law and nothing you can say to me will change that fact. Once our borders are secured, once the criminals have all been deported, once serious and enforceable penalties are enacted for employers who hire those without legal permission to be in this country, once public benefits are cut off and we remove the incentives for abuse thereby encouraging many to return to their country of origin on their own, once blanket amnesty is off the table, once there is a requirement that at least one parent must be in the US legally before automatic citizenship is given to the child or children and ONLY then: I would support a 90-day grace period for those here illegally to arrange their affairs and voluntarily return to their country of origin without penalty thus giving them the opportunity to legally petition for legal entry into the USA. After their due process hearing, at which time each case will be evaluated individually, those who do not voluntary leave within the 90-day grace period and are not granted permission to stay, by meeting acceptable and consistent criteria by representatives of the United States government, would be summarily deported automatically precluding their return. There are already in place steps to allow for political asylum and other methods for decent law-abiding people to remain in this country if they meet the criteria. I would support hiring and training more citizens, particularly those with foreign language skills such as you, to streamline the visa process, and speed up the timeline for those already waiting in line, or for those who have skills or abilities which employers can prove they cannot fill from the ranks of unemployed legal residents. I would also support allowing extra credits or whatever for those persons who speak English, have no criminal record, have not abused the social service system, and have children in the armed forces or children who were born in the US. So you see Ryan, now you KNOW my position because I shared it with you. Call me if I do not understand yours. Otherwise, we really have nothing to discuss.
  65. Ryan KingJuly 9, 2010 at 6:31 pm
    Thank you for sharing, but I’m not sure what you were trying to accomplish, as feeding me rhetoric doesn’t aid what you advocate for to come to existence. Although I agree and disagree with many things you said, this isn’t the appropriate forum to engage in a lengthy discussion. I think much of what you’re saying makes sense, but you present it in such a defensive, acerbic, and overly-generalized way that it makes it hard to listen to and agree with. A more level-headed approach would aid you in discussion issues with people who don’t see 100% eye-to-eye with you.
  66. Berta González-HarperJuly 9, 2010 at 6:59 pm
    You do not like anyone to disagree with you or challenge you do you Ryan. You will get along great with Nate aka Damageinc, Blazingmonk, Fan of Blazing Monk, etc. You do not like my style and I do not care for your answers, which are basically insults and evasion. You will not address the issues raised and I cannot say I blame you since your position is indefensible. Our “bickering” is over as I can see it is a complete waste of time to attempt to “bicker” with you.
  67. DamageincJuly 9, 2010 at 6:24 pm
    Hey Ryan this is classic Berta… I am embarrassed for her. Please except my apologies on her behalf. Oh and Berta… Zròb wszystkim pszysługe i zabij się.
  68. Berta González-HarperJuly 9, 2010 at 7:01 pm
    Nate, Damageinc, and all the other names you use: You certainly have enough to be embarrassed about and apologize for on your own behalf. Please refrain from apologizing or representing anything else on my behalf since you do not have the right to speak for me. Yuck! I have nothing to apologize for anyway as I spoke the truth and did not do so hiding behind phony names as you are wont to do. It appears as though your message is perhaps in Polish. Since I do not speak it or whatever language this is, or have any interest in anything you have to say, as I do with most of the caca that you spew, I will ignore it.
  69. ScottEJuly 9, 2010 at 7:46 pm
    Berta, You keep using that word (ignore). I do not think it means what you think it means. (All due Inigo Montoya)
  70. Berta González-HarperJuly 9, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    Scott, I vaguely remember Princess Bride. Can you refresh my memory?
  71. DamageincJuly 9, 2010 at 7:51 pm
    Ryan, I am so sorry! Most of the people here are classy and upstanding, there are a few exceptions, berta being one. Welcome to the site and we hope to see more of you and less of Berta.
  72. Ryan KingJuly 10, 2010 at 7:51 am
    Thanks for the warm welcome. I promise I won’t make this much of a stir on every post
  73. Kevin D. KorenthalJuly 8, 2010 at 1:15 pm
    This whole water bottle discussion was the subject of a heated debate at the CLWA last month. On one hand, the water that is in those bottles is actually drinkable (whereas our tap water is not) but does propagate a misconception that bottled water equals safe water. That is certainly not the case. I didn’t think of it before, but perhaps some additional notice can be placed upon the bottle to straighten this misnomer out: ATTENTION: The water you about to drink is not tap water but tastes better than the swill we are currently selling you at ever higher cost. But alas, bottled water is not subject to any safety regulations like that of the tap water that CLWA sells. So drink CLWA bottled water and use our tap water for everything else!
  74. AlpinerJuly 8, 2010 at 3:07 pm
    Okay Jeff, what happened to the Forum?
  75. DamageincJuly 8, 2010 at 4:20 pm
    These blame everyone crowd argue Valencia Blvd should be closed and I ASK WHY? It wasn’t the only street people were standing on, so do we shut down all the streets surrounding the mall choking all the businesses in and around the mall? Creating gridlock and potential delays on an already dangerous holiday? You know some idiots blew up a full size dumpster in Newhall with probably a half stick of dynamite? From what I have heard both drivers were young & inexperienced (21 & 19) and both distracted by the fireworks, so does the city shut down every street that fireworks can be seen? Because you can see them from the 5. If there was a pile up on the 5 that cost lives would people be advocating shutting down the 5 freeway? BTW part of McBean just one block over was completely closed. People were allowed to sit, lay, or bring lawn chairs and put them in the street and only a handful of people took this opportunity. Everyone lining Valencia Blvd, could easily fit on McBean if they would have just walked 50 yards to the west. I really don’t understand the blame and venom being throw around. I don’t want to sound like a dick head but lets feel bad for the victims of this tragedy, and not take it as an opportunity to rail against our hardworking police and fire who ultimately coordinated this event.
  76. AlpinerJuly 8, 2010 at 5:11 pm
    Talkers Forum is back online. Looks like Jeff updated the version.
  77. spineflower2July 8, 2010 at 7:13 pm
    Revealing that the City has a knee-jerk reacton to blame the County (Sheriff and Fire) for an accident on CITY streets, isn’t it?
  78. RemStarJuly 8, 2010 at 8:41 pm
    No it didn’t. That’s just a stupid comment. The blame lies with the driver, not with the planners of the event.
  79. DamageincJuly 9, 2010 at 8:42 am
    What blame? They told the truth, Sheriff and Fire Department are in charge of running this stuff. The blame lies on two young (as far as I can tell sober) distracted drivers. This event in unfortunate and heartbreaking but putting searching for a reason to blame others is irresponsible and wrong.
  80. KellyJuly 9, 2010 at 5:19 pm
    This comment is courtesy of my spouse about paying for counseling for the witnesses of the Fireworks crash- Just substitute “My Neighbors” for “The city” and then you will be correct in your request for counseling for your children, Ms.Escobar. When my child gets injured, I take care of my child, I don’t running around requesting others to do My Job as a parent. Plus, why in the world were you hanging around a death scene?? Is this woman NUTS to subject her child to this?? I guess the answer is yes.
  81. DamageincJuly 9, 2010 at 6:25 pm
    Sounds like a man I can respect.
  82. ScottEJuly 9, 2010 at 6:44 pm
    Yay Ryan … that is all …

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